Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 8 minutes. Mr. Chairman, my grandmother was a salty woman who originally came from Maine and settled in Wisconsin. She said once to my sister, ``Look, Kathy, just because you want to get married, doesn't mean…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 8 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, my grandmother was a salty woman who originally came from Maine and settled in Wisconsin. She said once to my sister, ``Look, Kathy, just because you want to get married, doesn't mean you have to say yes to the first idiot who walks through the door.'' I think we all know that is true.
That is the same principle that we ought to apply when we review administration requests to spend money. Just because we want to do something, does not mean that the Congress has to just swallow willy- nilly the first slap-dash, sloppy, naive package that is sent down to us. The Congress has the right and an obligation to use its judgment and to be selective.
It was suggested a couple of moments ago by one of the speakers that, in essence, whether you vote yes or no on this package is a measure of whether or not you want to oppose terrorism or not. Absolute baloney. There is not a Member of this House who does not want to fight terrorism.
Less than a week after 9/11, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) and I pushed through this House a $40 billion package to respond to terrorism, and, if I recall, that package passed virtually unanimously. We then went on to try to get the White House to increase its budget for homeland security items so we could strengthen protection in our ports, strengthen protection of the airways and strengthen protection afforded by our first responders in our local communities all across this country. The President threatened to veto that extra money. Nobody suggested he was soft on terrorism when he did that. He had a different view of how that money should be used than we did. He wanted to use it for tax cuts instead of homeland security. That is his right. I did not happen to agree with it.
We spent $60 billion on a package directed at our activities against Iraq just a few months ago, and yet, in spite of the maximum flexibility we gave the administration, we still find out today that there are 40,000 soldiers who were not given the Kevlar linings to their flak jackets. So, in other words, they did not have the body armor that they needed when they went into combat.
We also find out that the Pentagon, the civilian leadership of the Pentagon, in its infinite wisdom, did not manage affairs in such a way that would deliver all of the electronic jammers that were necessary so that our troops would stop being blown up by remotely detonated bombs.
We also discovered that, despite all of that money that we gave them, they did not provide the Kevlar blankets for the Humvees, so they were getting blown up on the roadbeds.
Now, we discover that 80 percent of American troops in Iraq still do not have access to anything but putrid water, so whole units get dysentery.
So with all due respect to one of the previous speakers, we have a right, and indeed an obligation, to exercise our judgment.
Every dollar that we spend on this request is a dollar that will not be spent on education, will not be spent on health care, will not be spent to modernize our own electrical grid, will not be spent on community development, will not be spent for any other domestic purpose. So if we are going to deny funding for those programs, we had doggone well better know that this money is going to be used for the best possible purpose, in the wisest and smartest possible way.
That is the issue here, not a measure of someone's patriotism or their judgment or their dedication to the antiterrorist fight. If someone were to suggest otherwise on this floor today, that would be demagoguery not worthy of institution. So I hope that does not happen.
What we have an obligation to do today is to ask whether this package, as presented, does as much as it should to support our troops and allow them to return home safely. I do not believe it does.
Does it do as much as it should to restore the readiness of U.S. military to respond to future crises in the Middle East, or any other part of the world? In my view, it does not.
Does it provide Iraq with the right kind of assistance, or will the principal beneficiaries be the large multinational corporations who charge an arm and a leg for services that can be delivered for a dime on the dollar in Iraq by other people? I do not think it does provide enough protections.
Does this package place a fair share of burden on American taxpayers vis-a-vis taxpayers from other countries? I do not believe it does.
Most of all, is it not gutless for this institution to refuse to pay for this package, rather than charging the bill to our kids?
Before we prattle on about ``shared sacrifice,'' I think we ought to see whether we are really willing to ask anybody to sacrifice, except the people in the military, who are stuck with discombobulated lives because of mixed up troop rotations, the Reserve and Guard being told they have to serve another year.
What is wrong with asking that at least we pay for this package, so that we can save $4 billion a year in interest payments that can be used on deserving and needy programs here at home? Nothing is wrong with that, and yet the majority will not grant us the right to even offer that amendment so we can get a vote on it.
That is what is wrong with this House, that is what is wrong with this package. And that is why I intend to vote no, until the administration does come to us and tell us two things: (1) Gives us an accounting of the $60 billion they have already spent, they have not done so; and (2) gives us a clear understanding of what their plans are for spending on this operation for the next 5 years. They have steadfastly refused to provide that, and, until they do, this Congress has a responsibility to exercise the only power that our Founding Fathers gave us that means a whit, the power of the purse.
We have an obligation to our taxpayers and our constituents to know what we are doing and to know what the government is going to be doing with their tax dollars. We do not know enough at this point to provide this money carte blanche. When we do, I will be happy to vote for it, but not until.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), the minority whip.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Lowey).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to my colleague from Wisconsin (Mr. Kind).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran), a member of the Subcommittee on Defense of the House Committee on Appropriations.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1\1/4\ minutes.
Mr. Chairman, once you fire the bullet, you do have an obligation to clean up the mess; and that is why I certainly agree with virtually every task in Iraq that the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) just described.
I do not agree with those who believe that we should just provide a military package and not provide a reconstruction package. That would be, in my view, irresponsible. But having said that, I think the problem is that the package that is being proposed is insufficient in terms of what it does to help the troops; and it is wasteful in terms of what it does in Iraq, and badly through out to boot. That is why we have been asking questions of the administration about their future plans.
The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) says we need to finance an exit strategy. The problem is we have no exit strategy. Until we do, we are going to be floundering and we will have a tremendous number of American lives disrupted. So that is why I have come to a different conclusion on this specific package than the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young).
Mr. Chairman, how much time do I have remaining?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young). I know that the gentleman inadvertently used some of his time, and I will be happy to yield him 1 minute so that the gentleman could add to his time for closing.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the remainder of my time to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi), the distinguished minority leader.
Mr. Chairman, I offer a splendid amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, the administration has asked us to approve $87 billion in the second installment for Iraq. I understand the necessity for military appropriations and for a reconstruction package. I understand the necessity that they be tied together. But the majority has set up the debate in this House so that a single Member will be able to prevent a comprehensive amendment from being voted upon. That is the way they ensure a victory for their approach.
We are offering this amendment in hopes that the majority will not exercise its right to strike it from the floor, because we believe that if the Congress is going to spend $87 billion on this operation, that this amendment represents a better way to do it. It does more to support our troops. It does more to protect the taxpayers. It does more to restore balance between obligations on us and our allies.
First, it would scale back reconstruction funding by roughly one- third in order to force the administration to redesign its approach in Iraq so that more contracts will go to small indigenous companies and fewer to huge multinational corporations. I have already told the story about General Patreas who, when told by his own engineers that it would take $15 million to build a cement plant in Iraq, managed to get that plant built for $80,000 by using local ideas and local approaches. That is what we ought to be looking for.
Second, we convert half of the remaining funds from grants to loans by running them through the World Bank. This has three advantages. It internationalizes the burden because it will be matched with contributions from other countries on a two-to-one basis. Secondly, it insulates the contracting process from cronyism that can result if it is run by an agency that is responsive to political appointees in the executive branch. And thirdly, because of the way the World Bank can capitalize it, it will, in fact, deliver more assistance to Iraq on the ground at less cost to the taxpayers. It is patterned after a Senate amendment that has been promoted by Senator Hutchison.
We transfer $4.5 billion to support our troops. First, we add money to provide U.S. troops in Iraq with clean drinking water. Eighty percent of them now do not have it. That is a shame. It is a shameful indictment of the poor planning associated with this operation.
Secondly, we provide predeployment health and dental screening for Guard and Reserve forces. Right now, they have to pay it.
Thirdly, we extend health coverage for returning Guard and Reserve personnel from the existing 60-days that they are now entitled to, to 6 months.
Fourthly, we provide the full amount that the Services have requested to be used this year to refurbish military equipment that has been used and used up in Iraq. Without it, that equipment will be unusable for 2 years and our readiness to deal with other problems around the world will be substantially inhibited.
Fifth, we face up to General Shinseki's warning that we should not have a 12-division strategy if we only have a 10-division Army. The administration ignored that warning, and as a result, we are at least a division short. That is why Guard and Reserve forces have effectively been drafted for an extra year of service, and that is why regular Army troops have seen their rotation schedules obliterated. This amendment helps to fix that over time.
Most importantly, we try to pay for this operation. In the spirit of shared sacrifice, what we are asking is that we do not limit the sacrifice only to the troops in the field and their families. We are asking that we pay for it in the most fair way possible, by saying to the most prosperous of all Americans, the top 1 percent of the population, that we want to scale back the tax cut that they have just been given by the President and the Congress so that they will only get a $52,000 tax cut rather than $130,000 tax cut they would otherwise receive.
I would point out that if we follow that approach, we would also be able to save $4 billion a year in interest costs. That $4 billion is larger than all of the money that we will spend this year for Alzheimer's research, research on autism, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, diabetes, Parkinson's, Lou Gehrig's disease and all kidney diseases combined.
It is a responsible amendment. I am amazed that, once again, the majority feels that the only way that they can win the debate is by denying us the opportunity to waive the same rules that they waived in bringing their approach to the floor.
This is an attempt to be more prudent with the taxpayers' money, more balanced in terms of responsibilities between us and our allies, and more responsive in terms of meeting the needs of the troops. It can neither be called a liberal nor a conservative amendment. It is a hard- headed approach to real problems; and I would urge the majority to, despite the fenced-in rule which they adopted, to allow us to at least have a vote on this proposition. If it does not have the merits to beat the majority party approach, then it will be defeated. If it does, it should be adopted. All we ask is for the opportunity to put this issue to a vote, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, who has the right to close?
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time, and I will simply say two things.
We have heard a lot of talk about supporting the troops today. I would urge Members to simply put their vote where their mouths are. This amendment gives far more support to the troops before, during, and after their service than the committee bill or the administration plan.
Secondly, I would note the gentleman from Arizona said that he disagreed with the approach that I take in this amendment. That is his right. That is perfectly appropriate. All we are asking is at least let us vote on it.
For years, whenever spending propositions hit the floor, people would say, ``How are you going to pay for it?'' Well, we are showing you how we will pay for it. We are trying to pay for it. You are denying us the ability to pay for it if you object to our ability to bring this to a vote.
So I would ask the majority to forego the opportunity that it has given itself under the rules to wipe out this amendment without a vote, and at least let the House face this issue squarely and vote on it. This is, after all, supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the world. This is a democracy. Let us act like it.
Point of Order
Mr. Chairman, I would simply say the minority leader said it was ironic that the rules of the House could be used in order to deny Members an opportunity to pay for whatever it was they were suggesting. I regret that. We could have faced this, if the Committee on Rules had given us the same courtesy in waiving rules that they gave to themselves. However, they did not; and so I, unfortunately, must concede the point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I would simply say that I know the chairman and Mrs. Chairman, as well, have spent considerable time focusing on this issue, and I appreciate that. We agree with the amendment and would urge support.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 4 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, as I said earlier, we have heard a lot of talk today about supporting the troops. This is an opportunity to do so. What this amendment does is increase by $3.6 billion funds that are not provided in the committee mark for quality-of-life items for the troops as well as other items reconstituting the force.
What we try to do, for instance, is first of all to correct the problem that we face with our troops not having clean water. Eighty percent of our troops in Iraq have to drink bad water. They get dysentery. The President's request contains only $15 million for such purposes. We try to provide an amount consistent with meeting the needs of all of the troops in that country. Secondly, we provide funding to allow Reservists to obtain medical and dental screening prior to activation. Right now, they have to pay for that themselves. Thirdly, we say that for troops returning from theater and returning to a normal, back-home life, that we will extend their coverage under the military health care program from the existing 60 days to 180 days. We also provide additional funding, $50 million, to cover the cost of increasing support for Reserve family assistance centers
to address domestic problems resulting from extended deployments. We also provide additional funds for prepaid phone cards for the troops in theater, $65 million. And we provide funds to fully cover service members' transportation while on R&R. Finally, we provide additional case managers for the VA and DOD joint Disabled Transition Assistance Program to enhance transition assistance for disabled service members.
In addition to that, as I indicated earlier, we have about a $20 billion task facing us to reconstitute and refurbish and replace the equipment that was used or used up in Iraq. We have almost half of our Army divisions with, at this point, equipment which is not up to full readiness standards. We need to correct that as soon as possible. The services asked for the full amount necessary for this year. The Department denied them a good share of the funds. We provide the full funding levels that were requested by the services.
Basically, Mr. Chairman, that is it. If you are for the troops, I, for the life of me, do not understand why people would not support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spratt).
(Mr. SPRATT asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, we have been told that we cannot afford to cut back the reconstruction package, the $20 billion reconstruction package in Iraq, in order to fund these few additional services for our troops and to restore the readiness of our military units around the world.
Let me point out we are taking $3.6 billion out of the reconstruction program in order to fund these efforts. That still leaves us with $15 billion. That means that it still leaves us with a reconstruction package that will spend $650 for every Iraqi, $650. That means that we will be spending seven times as much per Iraqi as we spent on a per capita basis for the entire population of Europe in the Marshall Plan.
It is also a dead letter fact that Mr. Bremer is not going to be able to obligate $15 billion in the time frame that this bill envisages, and it is a fact that some of those contracts would not be finished for 5 years. Surely we recognize that even with this reduction, this assistance package on a per capita basis would be the most generous aid program in the history of the world.
What are we trying to use that money for? We are trying to provide water for the troops that will not make them sick. Is that too much to ask? Is there something wrong with our dedication to the war against terrorism if we are for that?
We also are trying to provide health and dental screening for Guard and Reserve personnel before they go into active service to do their duty, and what we are trying to say is just in case that when they were on active duty and got a health problem that is not going to show up for a few months, we are going to give them 6 months of coverage after they have done their duty and they are back home. Is that too much to ask? I know this Congress will not help provide health coverage for the 42 million Americans who do not have it, but can we not at least do it for these?
And then, lastly, we are asking for a little bit of money so that our soldiers can pick up a cell phone, so that they can pick up one of these, open it up, it is against the rules to use this on the House floor, but we want them to be able to pick up one of these, open up a cell phone and dial their family when they are lonely. That is what we are asking.
I think this amendment represents a far better balance of priorities than does the administration request or the committee package, and I respectfully and urgently ask for an ``aye'' vote for the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I also reserve a point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 6 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, first of all, let me say that I have a great deal of respect for the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Kolbe). He is standing here tonight doing his duty. That is what we are supposed to do. And even though I disagree with his position, we ought to be able to debate these issues. I think the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Pence) should have been able to debate and get a vote on his amendment, and I am happy that we have figured out a way to accomplish the same thing. I would invite the support of those gentlemen who supported the previous amendment.
I think often we have in this place what I would call compulsive statesmanship, a tendency for people to want to do the right thing so badly that they sometimes lean overboard in taking into consideration the interests of other countries and in the process miss opportunities to take into account the interests of our own. I am not so afflicted, at least not on this issue.
I want to make clear I am an internationalist. I believe that it would be irresponsible for us to convert this entire package to loans. I believe that the administration is going to need some money available immediately in order to transact the business associated with trying to restart the Iraqi economy and rebuild the Iraqi society. But I think we have to get past the cliches and past the stereotypes and get into the actual details, into the specifics in assessing our obligation.
What this amendment does, very simply, is to, within the rules of the House, provide that, of the $18.6 billion in the bill available for reconstruction purposes in Iraq, that half of that be provided as a loan. We wanted to also provide that that half would run through the World Bank so that we could specifically require matching by other countries and then use the bank's ability to capitalize in order to expand the amount of aid available in Iraq by a factor of four. We cannot, under the House rules, do that directly; but this amount would still allow the administration to do that. They could still negotiate an international fund. Second, they could still run it through the World Bank with that matching requirement.
Now, I would simply like to say that I know that there are some people who will look at this in stereotypical fashion and assume that because the United States is a wealthy country and Iraq is not, (they are not poor, they are a middle income country) but I think that they will assume that because we are wealthy and Iraq is not, that somehow it is unfair for us to require any portion of this to come back as loans. The reason that people say that we cannot do this to Iraq is because they say Iraq has huge foreign debts. I want to point out that foreign debts cannot be paid off with domestic production. So it is misleading to assume that because the United States is a rich country and Iraq is a somewhat poorer country that we are in a better position to pay off foreign debts than they are. We are not.
This country has run such large trade deficits for so long, and we are going to be running such huge trade deficits in the future, that our country has no realistic possibility anytime in the next decade to be paying off any significant portion of our own foreign debt. And the only way foreign debt can be paid off is by running trade surpluses. So what that means is that the United States' foreign debt on a per capita basis roughly equals Iraq's, and next year Iraq's will probably be somewhat smaller than ours.
The fact is that because Iraq has a long-term prospect of multi- billion dollar benefits from the oil they have in the ground, it in fact means that the United States has less of an ability to pay off foreign debt in the future than Iraq does. And that is why I think it is absolutely legitimate to consider requiring 50 percent of the money that we spend in this reconstruction operation to be provided in the form of loans.
The gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos) and I are offering this amendment. There are a lot of other Members who I know wanted to do it. I know the gentlewoman from Michigan (Ms. Kilpatrick) also has demonstrated a great deal of leadership in this. But what we are trying to do is to provide a way to deliver more assistance on the ground for Iraq at less burden to our taxpayers.
For all the reasons cited by all of the gentlemen who supported the previous amendment, Mr. Chairman, I would urge an ``aye'' vote on this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 6 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos), who is a cosponsor of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Menendez).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Wu).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the remaining time.
Mr. Chairman, it is very simple. This aid package is the largest aid package this country will have ever given to any country with whom it was at war. It is the largest aid package we have provided in the history of the world. I think that is doing something. All we are saying is that we should recognize that because of the oil reserves in the ground, that Iraq, by next year, is expected to have a better ability to pay back its foreign debt on a per capita basis than the United States does; and in 5 years, they will have a substantially better opportunity to pay that debt back than we do.
We face no prospects of trade surpluses over the next 10 years, so we are not going to be paying back our foreign debt. Iraq, with that oil in the ground, if we have any management ability at all in this situation, Iraq will wind up being able to pay back a significant portion of their debt as soon as that oil starts being pumped again.
We are simply asking for a decent balance between long-term burdens placed on their taxpayers and long-term burdens placed on ours. The House would not put the troops first today on the previous amendment, at least a lot of folks do not appear to be comfortable doing that; they would prefer to stay with the committee position. I would ask at least to put the taxpayers first.
This is a balanced amendment. It is fair. It is not in any way punitive. It does not in any way inhibit Mr. Bremer's ability to get the job done. It simply indicates that we are sensitive to the needs of our taxpayers as well as our need to provide leadership in the world in restoring the Iraqi society and the Iraqi country.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.