Mr. Chairman, I rise in very, very strong support of the Sherman amendment. We need to understand there is $126 billion in stock options granted in any one year, there was in 2000 in the United States of America. We are talking about small…
Mr. Chairman, I rise in very, very strong support of the Sherman amendment. We need to understand there is $126 billion in stock options granted in any one year, there was in 2000 in the United States of America. We are talking about small potatoes here, and frankly, the underlying bill here, in my judgment, is completely wrong in terms of the direction that the country and the stockholders are going. Who is speaking here for the stockholders of America, for those who have their value diluted because of what happens with stock options without any expensing whatsoever?
I yield to the gentleman from California (Mr. Sherman) in terms of his knowledge about accounting, but what I know about volatility is that without volatility, you would not have anybody in the stock market whatsoever. Without volatility, you really have no value in terms of the stock options which are being granted. Without volatility, that means you basically are not really expensing the stock options so that the other stockholders and other potential investors can see what is happening out there.
For all these reasons, I believe absolutely we should pass this amendment in order to insert the measure of what these expenses are really worth by putting the volatility back into it. It is almost impossible to determine value if you do not do that.
And I might just add, while we are talking about this, that in the area of accounting, we can talk about Black-Scholes being imprecise and laugh about it, whatever it might be, and certainly it is imprecise, but so is sometimes the good will, depreciation and a whole series of other accounting measures that are used in determining the values of corporations. It is not all quite as black and white as everybody would like.
So for all these reasons, but mostly because it is the stockholders, the shareholders who are suffering, by far the largest bulk. It is not the CEOs running the companies. It is not even the employees of the companies. It is the stockholders of the companies who are, in my judgment, being faulted by the methodology which we use now.
For all these reasons, I would encourage everyone here to consider supporting the Sherman amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I have a different solution than the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Baker). I would suggest that we vote for the Maloney amendment and then against the underlying legislation, because the Maloney amendment would reinstate where all of this should be with the SEC. Have we not had enough corporate malfeasance in this country, say for the last decade?
We should let the SEC do the job that they are supposed to do. They are charged with the responsibility of dealing with this. It has the authority to establish financial reporting standards applicable to public companies since its inception. This bill would limit that authority for the first time ever, preventing the SEC from adopting an accounting standard for stock options even if it finds that it is needed to protect the interest of the public or the investors.
It prevents the SEC from performing one of its most important functions, establishing those accounting standards. It is that simple. That is where the expertise is.
I love the chart the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Baker) had up there because eventually it showed that the regulators are the ones who are going to make the decisions. Perhaps they are better equipped to make these kinds of decisions. Perhaps people should sit down and talk to the FASB people and to the SEC people and understand that is where the decision should be made with respect to the expensing of stock options. Vote for the Maloney amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
I would like to paint a little bit of a different picture here. Let us assume instead of Members of Congress, these 435 seats were filled with stockholders of various companies in this country, and I said, look, we have $126 billion worth of expenses to the various corporations, but you will never see it because we will do it without any kind of an entry whatsoever.
That is what this is really all about. That is what we are dealing with.
We are really not expensing stock options at all. It is, in my judgment, ludicrous to suggest that the bill which is before us actually expenses stock options without any kind of a volatility standard in them. So we are just letting that go on as we did for some time.
But what is happening around the United States of America as we speak here today? What is happening is that a lot of people who are a heck of a lot more knowledgeable about corporations, equity and running of corporations than we are, are saying, hey, this is wrong; we need to expense stock options.
I have these names here; I cannot go through them all. I do not have time to do that in the 3 minutes I have, but we recognize a lot of them. Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker, Warren Buffet, names such as that. A significant number of people who have looked at this very carefully have come to the conclusion that we absolutely must do something about it.
A number of stockholders, as well, have done the same thing. For the first time ever, public proxies opposed by corporations are actually passing in the United States of America, some 40 of them this year, because stockholders have actually spoken out and have actually made the statement that we are going to do something about this; we are going to start to expense stock options.
Then, in addition to that, many corporations have looked at this and they said, we really do not need to have stock options unexpensed. We can expense them. We can live with that. Or we can issue restricted stock. There is a whole variety of ways in which we can compensate our executives and our other employees in a fair manner but in a way that would be shown to everybody who has invested in the corporation or might want to invest in the corporation.
Then there are all those companies that are voluntarily expensing their stock options. Again, I do not have the time to go through all of them, but Amazon, American Express, AT&T, Capital One, Coca-Cola, Daimler Chrysler. You name it and they are all beginning to do it.
The proposal which we have before us allows a regulatory body, the SEC working through FASB, to be able to come up with the fairest methodology of doing this. They have issued a rule. They are now listening to whatever the suggestions are. They should perhaps listen to Congress. I will be the first to tell you that Black-Scholes and other methodologies are not necessarily precise, but at least we are showing the expense of stock options so that all of the investors in this world, well over 50 percent of Americans who have invested in either mutual funds or corporations, will actually know what the heck is happening with those corporations.
If we vote for this legislation, we are basically going to brush it right back under the rug, and that is not where it belongs. So I would encourage everybody to take a careful look at this substitute which I think makes a lot of sense in terms of giving FASB the right to continue to do what they are doing. I would encourage us to look at all the amendments which are outstanding at this point and to vote for them and to oppose the legislation when the final say comes for the stockholders and the people of America.