Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for hosting this special order. And having just returned from Iraq, it is particularly meaningful to me to acknowledge the gentleman's leadership in this Congress in traveling to Iraq since the end of…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for hosting this special order. And having just returned from Iraq, it is particularly meaningful to me to acknowledge the gentleman's leadership in this Congress in traveling to Iraq since the end of hostilities more, I think, than any other Member of Congress; and having just learned what that has meant to our troops and what that has meant to the people in the transition process at the coalition authority, I want to thank him for that.
There is no question this issue of weapons of mass destruction, which has become such a political football in America today, represents some form of an intelligence failure, if by that we recognize that we have not found the vials of chemical and biological weapons. But it is absolutely imperative, as the gentleman suggests, to know that if it was an intelligence failure, it was a world intelligence failure and it was an intelligence conclusion that was drawn by at least two previous administrations.
I cite in evidence the remarks of President Bill Clinton on February 17, 1998. Again, these are the words of the President of the United States about what official U.S. policy was relative to the possession of weapons of mass destruction by the regime of Saddam Hussein.
President Clinton said. ``And they,'' referring to predators of the 21st century, ``they will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them.'' President Clinton went on to say, ``We simply cannot allow that to happen. There should be no doubt,'' President Bill Clinton said, ``There should be no doubt Saddam's ability to produce and deliver weapons of mass destruction poses a grave threat to the peace of that region and the security of the world.''
President Clinton went on to say, ``There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region,'' and he went on to describe Iraq as, ``a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists who have traveled the world. If we fail to respond today to Saddam Hussein, he will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that he can act with impunity.''
These are the words of the 42nd President of the United States of America, William Jefferson Clinton, about the conclusions of the Intelligence Community and his personal conclusions as our Commander- in-Chief that Iraq did possess biological and chemical weapons in the year 1998.
Mr. Speaker, on February 18, completely consistent with Secretary Albright's remarks, ``In the next century the community of nations will see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now.'' In describing it, President Clinton said, ``A rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists.''
Mr. Speaker, to that end, and I am anxious to get to that conversation, I have to tell my colleague that the search for weapons of mass destruction found for the Iraqis that I spoke to in Basra, it found its locus the day Saddam Hussein was captured by American troops. This is a man who, according to former prisoners of war, he and his regime were responsible for the death by incarceration or other means of 1.2 to 1.3 million of their countrymen. According to Amnesty International, we have identified the remains thus far in 270 mass graves of 400,000 men, women, boys, and girls in the mass graves of Saddam Hussein.
But the weapons-of-mass-destruction issue is an issue, and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Hoekstra) is right to address it in the beginning inasmuch as it is in the mind of the American people. But none other than Senator Daschle, who has been the majority leader of the Senate in recent years, but at the time in 1998 and President Clinton's decision to fire cruise missiles and attack Iraq was minority leader, Senator Daschle said, ``We are here today to affirm that we and the American people stand with the President and the international community in an effort to end Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs and preserve our vital and international interests.''
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, there is no question whatsoever that the position of the administration and others in America supported the conclusion that the intelligence community, not just of the Bush administration, but of the administration that preceded it came to a singular conclusion: that Iraq was in possession of weapons of mass destruction.
I am always anxious to remind my constituents in eastern Indiana that the reason we know Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction was because he used them. He used them on his own people. He used them to kill thousands in Kurdistan in the early 1990s in the immediate aftermath of the first Persian Gulf War. We are told by eyewitness accounts of men, women and children running in the middle of the night out of their bedrooms, out into the streets, grabbing their throats as they were asphyxiated by mustard gas or some other chemical agent and killed in the streets and towns of Kurdistan. Chemical weapons were used against his own people. It is not a subject of theoretical analysis or
intelligence analysis; but as the gentleman from Michigan knows, it is a matter of historical fact and record that Saddam Hussein in the early 1990s possessed and used chemical weapons against his own population.
What became of them in the days immediately prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom, we will continue to investigate. I traveled by the site of the Iraqi survey group in Baghdad just 1 week ago, and I know in meeting with the intelligence community there that that search goes on. And as we continue to bring Iraq forward in the family of nations, and as the people of Iraq, I believe, become more confident in their own future and in the end of the dark days of Iraq and the regime and the thugs that preceded this new Iraqi Governing Council and this new government, more people will speak and more daylight will shine, and we will eventually find out what became of this program and its horrendously dangerous by-products.
Mr. Speaker, a very moving part of my trip to Baghdad was our meetings at the headquarters of the Coalition Provisional Authority at Saddam Hussein's palace.
One of 100. It was the size of three or four resorts in Florida and twice as opulent. But across the street, there is a bunker underground hidden underneath what appears to be a garbage dump or a broken and destroyed building. It was three stories underground. It was one of those sophisticated bunkers we hear about; but what was most provocative to me was to learn that in that bunker was an enormous financial investment in a ventilation system which was designed as a countermeasure to the distribution of chemical or biological weapons. There was a decontamination room to essentially remove chemical or biological agents that were on a person before they could enter the bunker itself.
For a regime that, according to some of the administration's critics, never had weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein's own bunker, literally down the street from his primary palace, had an enormous multi-million dollar investment to protect him from weapons that he apparently did not possess.
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman would yield, I think that the statement that the gentleman just made is extremely important. I think that statement should be highlighted and underscored and chiseled in a place where every American can read it.
As he said again here on Capitol Hill, Dr. David Kay, weapons inspector who led the original effort after the war with the Iraqi survey group, he said what he found was more dangerous than what they believed would be there. In terms of the establishment of a diverse program of chemical and biological weapons, as the gentleman has with great particularity described, was prepared in the event of the strictures being lifted, was prepared to produce large amounts of these types of weapons.
Of course we found the nose cones on missiles hollowed out just for the size of an inclusion of a vial of certain types of agents that would have no other reason to be hollowed out as a warhead in that way. We found these munitions in large numbers. But David Kay said that what we found was in many respects more dangerous than what we expected to find.
If the gentleman will yield, I would like to know why President Bill Clinton got it wrong. I would like to know why Vice President Gore had the weapons of mass destruction estimate for Iraq so wrong. And I do not say that in a partisan spirit, I say that because if, in fact, there were never any weapons of mass destruction following the time he used them against his own people in the early 1990s, then there was an intelligence failure. But if it was, it truly was an institutional failure; not, as some would suggest, not associated with the present administration, but associated with an institutional failure that, I will add one other point if the gentleman will permit me, was not just an intelligence failure of the U.S. intelligence failure, but it was, as I said at the beginning, a world intelligence failure.
The intelligence communities of every one of our allies in the western world, in this cause, and even many who chose not to join us, France and Germany and Russia's intelligence community, as their votes in the U.N. Security Council support, all of them came to the conclusion, unequivocally, that Saddam Hussein possessed biological and chemical weapons.
The gentleman has caught me in a little bit of a rhetorical joust, and it seems to me that those who want to say we did not find what would have amounted, if we were absolutely correct, to a two-car garage load of biological and chemical weapons, it would not have filled more than that. But if we were wrong at the time, we went to war that that did not exist, that is the straining of the gnat when we ignore the elephant in the room.
The elephant in the room is the man and his regime were a weapon of mass destruction, terrorized and killed over 1 million of his own people, had these weapons and used them against his own people in the past, and, as the gentleman from Michigan says eloquently, most assuredly our conclusion that he was a menace and threat was accurate.
Apart from the inspiration of meeting particularly Hoosiers in uniform in Baghdad, the most inspiring for me, and this picture gives evidence, was the opportunities we had a week ago to meet with ordinary Iraqis, people working construction, men and women of various traditions, and even various faiths.
One of our meetings, and it may astound some that could be looking in, Mr. Speaker, is we had a meeting with a Shia cleric, a Shiite Muslim politician and the Catholic Bishop of Basra, who walked in in full religious garb, embraced the Shia cleric, as they obviously had great affection for one another, and then spoke of the religious pluralism that was a tradition for over 800 years in the communities of Basra in southeastern Iraq.
That is absolutely right. Basra itself is just south of the convergence of the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers, which the Bible records to be the location of the Garden of Eden. At Tallil Air Base, you can see essentially a pyramid from 2100 B.C. that marks the birthplace of Abraham, what was known as Ur of the Chaldeans. It is a place of incalculable historical value and significance, and the people reflect that.
But I have to tell the gentleman from Michigan, Mr. Speaker, that I fell in love with the Iraqi people that I met. The two qualities of the people that I met, and, again, it was only 60 or 70 regular Iraqis that we spent significant time with in the course of that weekend, but the Iraqi people that I met were highly literate, most of them spoke functional English, which was helpful to me, and the two characteristics, there were three. Number one, they were people who had very strong opinions, which made me feel at home, being from Indiana and the Midwest, as the gentleman from Michigan is.
We sat in a meeting, and, boy we heard it. Some people did not like how we were spending money on construction, other people did not like how we were investing in domestic security. But they had strong opinions, they were articulate, and they were revelling in the ability to express the opinions for the first time in their lifetimes.
I thank the gentleman. That was evident. The reason I start with that is to say this was not a group of people that were handpicked to tell four Congressmen what they wanted to hear. These people had some sharp elbows. But when you would ask any Iraqi, what do you think of our decision, along with 33 other nations, to remove Saddam Hussein, they would stop in many cases, their eyes would well up with tears, they would often grab us by the hand, and, as one Shia cleric looked me in the eye and said through an interpreter, Saddam Hussein was a nightmare, and I quote, he said, because I will never forget it, he said, ``The day you defeated Saddam Hussein
was like a dark curtain being lifted off of the Iraqi people and the daylight shone in.''
The sense of gratitude among the Iraqis, not only leaders, but rank and file folks that we met, was deeply moving to me as an American, and it was real and it was genuine. And I believe that from what they said, that among the 10 million souls who call themselves Iraqis, it is the dominant, overwhelming opinion of the people, one of gratitude to the people of the United States of America for ending a nightmare in their Nation.
These are the stories, Mr. Speaker, that are not being told. These are the stories of compassion that are, however, reaching the Iraqi people. They may not make it on American broadcast television with great frequency, but they are reaching the hearts of the Iraqi people. You can see from this photograph, which is one of literally dozens I returned with, these men were construction workers at a USAID program, and some were attending a class on democracy. And we just stopped, and I think you can see even from this poor reproduction the warmth with which I was greeted by regular Iraqis.
I share one anecdote. We walked into a classroom, they are holding these democracy classes all over Iraq, and they are probably at, what we would say in the United States as a 5th grade level, where they are teaching what it means to live under a constitution, what the Bill of Rights are. We went into one of these classes. They are all adults. And I walked in, and, of course, was listening in for a time as they spoke in Arabic.
Then they rose and started to greet me and a few other Members of Congress. Several women wearing traditional garb walked up. I said, ``Do you speak English?'' They all said yes. They proceeded to share with me, and I have got them in my office, handwritten poems about what democracy means to them. And on my Web site, Mike.Spence.House.Gov you can see this picture, literally these women handing this to me as if it were a newborn infant, this poem, their hands literally shaking at excitement with the idea of being able to be involved in representative democracy as citizens.
I close on this point. I looked them in the eye and I said, ``You all are like the founding generation of the United States of America. You are like the people that lived in 1776.'' I said, ``I envy you, because future generations of Iraqis will look back at you and thank you for your courage and your success and your belief in a free future.''
And they all giggled with delight; they understood what I meant and were obviously thrilled with the comparison to our founding generation.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman, because the point he just made to me is a colossal one. The very willingness of regular Iraqis to attend democracy classes sponsored by the United States Agency for International Development is an act of personal courage. The day after we left Baghdad, literally a week ago, was the bloodiest day in Iraq since the end of the war. Four mosques were attacked in Karbala and in Baghdad where we just were. Nearly 300 Iraqis were killed; many more hundreds injured, and all of the mosques that were attacked, as the gentleman alluded to, all the mosques that were attacked were clerics and imams who were cooperating or understood to be cooperating with the transition to democracy in Iraq.
One last point. The Iraqis that we spoke to were rather incredulous that we were in any way surprised by the violence. I will never forget the Iraqi who said to me, these people killed over a million of our countrymen to hold on to power. Why does it seem surprising to your people that they would kill to get it back?
And I yield back.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman, and I thank him for that moving explanation. I can candidly tell the gentleman that I did not have the presence to ask why almost every one of the nearly 80 Iraqis that I met ended every conversation like this; but I am very moved to learn it on this blue carpet, that it meant this is the intensity of the gratitude and the feelings. But I can attest on this floor that virtually every Iraqi with whom I spoke ended with their hand on their heart, speaking to me as a member of the United States. And I really believe, although intelligence estimates are that we are dealing with 1,000 to 2,000 insurgents, left over thugs, imported terrorists, people that are doing the killing that is going on and purposing to do more, but this is 1,000 to 2,000 essentially criminals and terrorists in a country of 10 million. And I believe in my heart, and I know the gentleman is my senior in Congress and often cautions me about over generalizations, but I believe in my heart if the Iraqi people could look the American people in the eye and rise as one man or one woman, they would be standing with their hand over their heart.
The people of Iraq that I spoke to are profoundly and overwhelmingly and emotionally grateful to the people of the United States of America, of Great Britain and Spain and all of the 33 nations that freed them from this nightmare of Saddam Hussein. I think of particularly the moment where a man who had been jailed 12 times over 25 years, who now is heading up an organization to identify the fate of nearly 1.2 million Iraqi men, women, and boys and girls who are still missing, who were dragged from their homes because of the belief in their disloyalty to Saddam Hussein. No due process of law, no trial of a jury of their peers, simply dragged away, never to be heard from again. And that man, as I expressed my appreciation for his courage, put his hand over his heart and expressed his thanks to the people of the United States of America for ending the nightmare, as he described it, of Saddam Hussein.
We did, Mr. Speaker. As this picture attests, this is the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Burton), who led our delegation with great distinction, and me with a number of Hoosiers in the Air Force at the air base south of Baghdad. We were able to dine, as the gentleman from Michigan did, with a number of men and women in uniform; and it was truly inspiring.
As the gentleman suggested, Mr. Speaker, I just have to say that among the Iraqis with whom I spoke when I was in Baghdad and Basra, and among the soldiers, both British and American, when I would bring up the subject of weapons of mass destruction or the lack thereof or the search therefore, people would be completely uninterested. I remember speaking to an American intelligence officer who had been in charge of surveying a handful of the 270 mass graves that we found so far. And I looked him in the eye and I said, What say you of the lack of weapons of mass destruction? And he looked at me and he looked down at his shoes covered with sand, and he looked back at me with emotion in his eyes and he said, sir, from what I have seen, we did what needed to be done, whether we ever find any of those kinds of weapons or not. And this was the attitude that I got among our troops. I will say this without hesitation.
Having walked into the palace of Saddam Hussein myself and walked into another one of his palaces and seen the opulence with which he indulged himself and his cronies, and then having walked through the ruination of Basra, which is a city with 20 percent of the sewage capacity that it requires, with 50 percent of the electricity it requires, 30 years of neglect and repression, and the tyranny and murder of over 1 million people, I am going to agree strongly with that intelligence officer. We did what needed to be done in Iraq and we, as these soldiers reflected again and again, and the gentleman from Michigan got this as well in his words, these soldiers know we were on the side of the right in ending the 30-year reign of a murderous dictator, Saddam Hussein.
Mr. Speaker, I just remember when my colleague first returned from Baghdad, he shared with a number of us, his colleagues, video footage of Baghdad as a bustling city, a very modern city, which it was. And the reason we went to Basra the first day was because Ambassador Bremer and other officials were locked in round-the-clock negotiations over the constitution. So they sent us as the first delegation of American Congressmen to Basra.
I have to tell you that going from Basra, which is like a Third World country, I mean it is ravaged not by war, it is ravaged by 30 years of neglect and tyranny by Saddam Hussein who refused to, even though billions of dollars were flowing from the Oil for Food program into his regime, and he was building more and more palaces, these monuments to his own greatness with marble floors and crystal chandeliers the size of minivans hanging from the hallway ceilings, but then go to Basra, and there is ramshackle dirt buildings falling down, roads in disrepair, sewers in disrepair, it demonstrated to me that contrast more than anything between the bustling city of Saddam Hussein to a city under the control of Basra, the Shiite population, the mendacity of this regime and the self-indulgence and evil of this regime letting so many people live in poverty while they live in sinful opulence.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. This photograph illustrates a brief meeting that we had with Ambassador Paul Bremer across the hallway from the negotiations over the constitution. My colleague spoke of the long work we have ahead. There is a new interim Constitution, which is a radical document in the Middle East, people have basic Bill of Rights freedoms in this ancient land for the first time ever in their history. In this picture actually appears the draft of that interim constitution that Ambassador Bremer calls it.
If we will stay the course, not only will we see the changes and the repentance that we have seen of Colonel Qaddafi, but I believe we are going to see the transformation of the society of Iraq as an Islamic country in their own form of democracy and freedom and a society built on rights that will transform that part of the world for our children and grandchildren and for the children and grandchildren of the good people of Iraq.