Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. I also thank him for pulling together this Special Order here this evening. As the gentleman mentioned, I used to be the chair of the subcommittee that he now chairs, and that is the Foreign…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. I also thank him for pulling together this Special Order here this evening.
As the gentleman mentioned, I used to be the chair of the subcommittee that he now chairs, and that is the Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific. I have been on the Foreign Affairs Committee for over 20 years now. We do a lot of important things on that committee, and our view of China has evolved somewhat over that time.
Do we want to have good relations with China?
Absolutely. It is in our best interests, it is in China's best interests, it is in the world's best interests. We passed normal trade relations some years ago. It used to be called the most favored nation; now it is normal trade relations. We trade with them a lot.
Many would argue that American jobs have gone to China. They have stolen our technology, our intellectual property secrets, and a whole range of other things. So they haven't been terribly cooperative in that area, yet they have benefited a great deal.
One of our strongest allies, Taiwan, the PRC--China--has been bullying for years. Too often, China has gotten their way. They have been able to keep Taiwan out of international health organizations that would be helped by having the Taiwanese expertise in that. They have done a whole range of things.
When I first came here, there were several hundred missiles in the PRC--China--pointed at Taiwan. Now there are over 1,600 missiles, and they threaten them on a whole range of things. So it is very important that we continue to have strong relations with Taiwan.
Legislation that I have proposed and that we have passed here before in our committee and that we hope to pass in the House as well--and then we hope the Senate will take it up as well--is to allow high- ranking Taiwanese officials to come here to the United States, particularly to Washington, D.C., to meet with our officials here in our Nation's Capital. That makes sense, and hopefully we will do that in the very near future, but China has been very uncooperative, obviously, with respect to Taiwan.
They have been particularly uncooperative with respect to one of our greatest threats in the world right now, and that is North Korea. We get a lot of lip service from China, but very little action.
North Korea is a threat. For a long time, they were a threat to the region. We cared about that and we worked with our allies on that. But now they are a threat to Washington, D.C., and Seattle and Los Angeles and my home city, Cincinnati, and cities all over the United States, because we believe they can now reach the United States with nuclear weapons.
That is the first time. A lot of us were concerned about that day ever coming. Previous administrations tried to get China to lean on North Korea because China has the greatest clout with North Korea because China provides most of their food and most of their fuel. About 90 percent of North Korea's trade is with China. China acts like they are going to be helpful, and then they are not.
The last thing we want to see is military confrontation. You will have some folks in our country that that is their principal priority, they don't want any confrontation, but then they will be satisfied to have North Korea have nuclear weapons.
We can't tolerate somebody as unpredictable, somebody as dangerous as Kim Jong-un or his predecessors, his father or grandfather, people like that to have nuclear weapons. It is just unacceptable to the United States and most other countries around the world, but the rest of the world looks to us to act.
This is a case where we really do need China to step up and do the right thing. Thus far, they have not been willing to do that.
So the question is: How do we get China to do that?
In the past, a number of us thought the way you got China's attention was
to at least discuss with our allies in the region--South Korea, Japan, even Taiwan, perhaps--to consider having nuclear weapon programs themselves. And maybe even talking about that would be off-putting enough to the PRC that they would lean on North Korea to back off their program.
Well, we are probably beyond that now because North Korea not only has a nuclear program, but they have one that could now hit the continental United States.
I think the only thing at this point that works is any leverage that we have with China itself, that if they don't act, then they can either trade with North Korea or they can trade with us. That ought to be a pretty easy deal for them to make. The economy in North Korea is in shambles. The people are starving. The people are repressed by their own illegitimate government. So there is not a lot of trade. It is not of great import to China. In fact, their relationship with North Korea--I think the way they look at it--it keeps us off balance. So they can trade with North Korea or they can trade with us.
Now, trade with the United States is very significant to the PRC. It means millions and millions and millions of jobs.
Are we willing to go that far?
Well, I think we should be when you are considering war, which is the alternative to actually getting North Korea to back off their program.
So in this case, I think we ought to make it clear to China that we are serious about this; whether it is the financial system, international banking, cutting that off. We ought to fully cut that off with North Korea and at least on the books we have, but China has ways of getting around that and propping up their ally, North Korea.
So this is the time. It has got to happen soon. North Korea has, we think, probably 20 or so nuclear devices at this point. You wait another year or 2 years, they are going to have dozens and dozens and dozens of them.
Not only is that dangerous because they have them, but it is dangerous because they will sell those nuclear devices to organizations, al-Qaida, perhaps even ISIS, or other organizations that would love to smuggle those things into this country and use them. They would use them in a heartbeat if they had them. We can't let that happen.
So things that we talked about in previous administrations and that administrations would negotiate--we had six-party agreements and we would get together--and North Korea would agree:
Okay. For food and fuel, we will end our nuclear program.
On the books it was ended, but underground or in the mountains, it was continuing.
Both previous Republican and Democratic administrations essentially let that happen, and it was bad, but they couldn't reach the United States. Now they can reach the United States.
So we are at that time now that years ago we warned about. We are there now. So I would strongly encourage this administration to take this seriously and do whatever is possible, short of war--we want to avoid that if at all possible--to make sure that China finally leans on North Korea to back down.
Mr. Speaker, I thank again the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Yoho), who is doing a fine job as chair of the Asia and the Pacific Subcommittee. I also thank him for the opportunity and pulling this together this evening.