Department Of Defense Appropriations Act, 2004
Madam President, listening to my chairman reminded me of my days of youth. During World War II, when I was a young man, I had the high honor of serving as platoon leader of 40 men. It was a small part of the war. But if someone had come up…
Madam President, listening to my chairman reminded me of my days of youth. During World War II, when I was a young man, I had the high honor of serving as platoon leader of 40 men. It was a small part of the war. But if someone had come up to me, say, my colonel, and said: How many men will you lose in the next 30 days? How many rounds of ammo will you use during the next 12 months? How many grenades will you explode during the next 12 months?--my answer would have had to have been: I don't know. There is no way of knowing how many men I will lose in this battle or the next battle. I have no idea how many rounds we will fire or how many grenades we will throw. We will do our best to maintain our force.
But to require any commander to come forth with even a good guess as to what one can anticipate--who in his right mind could have predicted what Midway would turn out to be like or the battle of Guadalcanal? No one had any idea. We had contingency plans as to how we should cope with the enemy if it came from the northern slope or the southern slope, but as for the outcome, we went into a battle once that lasted 5 days and we thought we would come through with minimal casualties. In those 5 days, we incurred 800 casualties in my little regiment, 300 dead--in a battle we thought we could resolve in 3 days. But we had no idea the opposing forces were three times our size.
I realize my colleagues are very eager to know what the costs of this war will be. Senator Stevens and I would like to know that also because we are in charge of bringing forth to this body our recommendations on what to spend. Frankly, we have no way of knowing. We can make a calculated guess. We tried to do that the last time, and we did not succeed. So we have called upon the administration to do their best. And when the time comes they need supplemental appropriations, we will consider that, and we will inspect and just look over every account. Keep in mind, if it is going to be a calculated guess, we have no way of conducting oversight. So I hope my colleagues will be a bit more patient with us.
I realize that it may pay political dividends in some cases. But in this case we are dealing with the lives of men and women. I hope that in dealing with the lives of men and women, we will make certain that we conduct the affair in the best way possible.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
Madam President, the committee has been advised, No. 1, that the procedure and process employed in Guantanamo and other places of detention meet the requirements set forth by the Geneva Convention.
No. 2, the matter is being represented by counsel and presently in court. As our chairman indicated, it would not be appropriate for this committee to be intervening while a court case is pending.
No. 3, I think we should keep in mind that this is not a war. This is an experience that this Nation has not had in its past history. This is a war on terrorism. It is not the uniformed enemy to which we are always accustomed where we know who their commanders are, we know where they are coming from, they wear a different type of uniform. In this war, we have no idea who the terrorists are. It could be this young lady here, for all I know.
Having said that, if we follow provisions of this amendment and the Defense Department and the Department of Justice are required to give out the names, the rank, the charges, et cetera, and to give an indication as to when one can expect this prisoner to be released, I think we may be working right into the hands of the organization we are trying to combat: al-Qaida.
If I were in charge of the al-Qaida operations, I would like to know what is happening to those below me. And if I new Mr. One is coming out next August or Mr. Two is coming out in September, I can make plans accordingly.
As I pointed out, this is a war that none of us have experienced in the past. The chairman and I could speak of World War II and the Hump, the Japanese, the Germans, the camps and such.
On this matter, we have never experienced anything like this. So I hope as long as Guantanamo is open to inspection--and the chairman and I have gone there. It has been always open to Members of Congress if they wish to go there for themselves to look over the conditions, to taste their food, and in fact talk to them to see if they are being tortured, as some would suggest. I think my colleagues will find that as Americans we have treated our detainees in an humane fashion.
Now, no one would want to be detained even for an hour, but in this
wartime condition and terrorist condition I think there is a necessity. We have done our duty in a way that Americans need not be embarrassed and ashamed. So I hope my colleagues will not look favorably upon this amendment and wait for another day.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Amendment No. 1268
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Madam President, it was not my intention to participate in this debate.
As it is well known in this Chamber, I was one of the few who voted against the resolution to grant the President of the United States authority to carry out the strike. So my views are rather well known here.
But on matters that are being discussed today, in war it is almost impossible to predict what will happen tomorrow. As I indicated earlier, as a young lieutenant in charge of 40 men, if someone should have asked me how many men I thought I would lose today in battle, my response would be that I hope none. But who can predict that?
Like many of my colleagues here, I have seen too many men killed. I have sensed the anger of war, and I have tasted the hatred involved.
I say these things not to criticize my dear friend. In fact, I commend him for bringing these matters up for discussion. But one in war cannot make predictions, much as you want to.
Equally as important, in the world of diplomacy--and in this case pointed out very astutely by my chairman, the Senator from Alaska--the President of the United States is in charge of the foreign policy of this Nation. In the world of diplomacy, when one sits down with another diplomat, one doesn't tell the world, I am going to tell that person that I want this or I want that or I am going to do this if you do not do that. It is just not done that way. Most of the conversations between heads of state are in private. That is the way it should be. We are not here to embarrass the head of state of some country by telling the Senate that, in my discussions with prime minister such-and-such, he said this and he is reneging now. That is not the way it is done.
Equally as important, whatever disclosures our Commander in Chief makes, they impinge upon the future of the men on the front line. I would not want any sort of activity that would place our men and women in jeopardy. I think if we force the President of the United States to do what is required in this resolution, we may be placing our men and women in jeopardy.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Vote on Amendment No. 1270