Mr. President, I wish to respond to a few of the items just laid out in the Senate and try to point out what I think are glaring inaccuracies. First of all, the Weiss report we have heard so much about from the last two speakers uses…
Mr. President, I wish to respond to a few of the items just laid out in the Senate and try to point out what I think are glaring inaccuracies.
First of all, the Weiss report we have heard so much about from the last two speakers uses numbers from the Medical Liability Monitor. The Medical Liability Monitor just provides the numbers. They are not a group that is pro tort reform or anti tort reform. This is what the editor, Barbara Dillard, says about the numbers that the other side of the aisle is using to somehow skew what the premiums are doing in those States that have enacted tort reform. Let me read some of the most salient parts:
The Weiss ratings analysis of medical malpractice caps
cites the Medical Liability Monitor as the source of data
Weiss uses to calculate ``average'' and ``medium'' premiums
for physicians during the last 12 years. While we are an
independent news publication and take no position on tort
reform, or other proposals to improve the medical liability
climate, we feel it is necessary to comment on the use of our
statistics because some readers have expressed concern. The
median and averages in the Weiss report are not the numbers
we report in our annual rate surveys. Weiss may have taken
our numbers, the amounts and increases of premiums paid by
doctors State by State, and used them to arrive at their
statistics. But it is not possible from the report to say
definitely how our numbers have been used. It is our view
that it is impossible to calculate a valid ``average''
premium for physicians, or for physicians in a particular
State or territory, and we state that clearly in the
executive summary of our rate survey.
But the editor of the Medical Liability Monitor goes further. She advised the leader's office that:
It is misleading to use median premiums compiled with data
from the Medical Liability Monitor to demonstrate the effect
of noneconomic damage limits on liability rates.
This is exactly what Weiss does. That is the report they have been quoting here. The report uses median annual premiums compiled with data from the Medical Liability Monitor to try to demonstrate the effect of noneconomic damage limits on liability rates. Not only is this wrong, it downright misleads the public.
Let me refer to some of the other issues they were talking about. Half of the States have enacted medical liability reform. My State did that a year ago. It has caps. If you look at my State, as far as the numbers, it would look like it hasn't worked. It takes a minimum of probably 8, 10, 12, or 15 years to go through the courts to find out whether the caps are going to be upheld. If the insurance companies are unsure whether the caps are going to be upheld or not, there is no predictability there because they can reach way back--once it is held unconstitutional, they can go back and try those cases and get those awards.
That is why in California it took so long--from 1975 until the mid- 1980s--to
find out whether the law was going to work. Colorado and California have now had their laws in place long enough to stabilize rates. Let's look at those two States, in major cities, compared to other cities around the country.
Here are Los Angeles and Denver. We will start with the general surgery. It is almost $37,000 in Los Angeles for the medical liability premiums for the year; that is for a general surgeon. In Denver, it is around $34,500. New York is about $51,000. Las Vegas was $70,000. It is a lot higher this year in Las Vegas. In Chicago, it is $68,000. In Miami, it is $174,000. The cities in the gray on the chart are States without medical liability reform. The two in the white have had medical liability reform in place long enough for them to have predictability.
This whole debate isn't about hurting patients; it is about helping them to have access to quality care. In my State, we had a level I trauma center close for 10 days because of a crisis, where the specialists who were treating patients there could not afford the medical liability insurance anymore. So they had to say: We cannot come in there and practice because we cannot afford the insurance. The Governor of our State, within a week, called a special session of the legislature. They enacted, in a bipartisan way, caps. Unfortunately, like a lot of the caps in the country--and they use a lot of these statistics--they are similar to the caps in my State where they have loopholes that you can drive a truck through, which makes the legislation pretty much, as far as a court of law is concerned, ineffective. That is why there is a move in my State to close those huge loopholes down to where just the most serious cases actually have unlimited pain and suffering type of awards.
In our State, the way they reopened the level I trauma center in that special session of the legislature--not only did they enact a $350,000 cap for the general population but for the level I trauma center they put it under the State. Guess what. Our State has $50,000 caps total-- economic, pain and suffering, medical, the whole thing. That is the only way they could get the level I trauma center back open. Why did they do it? They knew there was a crisis. People had died, and more would die if they didn't reopen the trauma center.
Well, how bad does it have to get in the U.S. for us to say there is a crisis? When will the other side realize how bad the situation is in America? We are losing specialists. People are leaving the practice of medicine--especially those specialties and subspecialties in which we already have a shortage in many areas; and new people are not going into these areas because they see the writing on the wall. They see it is going to be too expensive for them to go out and practice.
I have a good friend from Las Vegas, Dr. Spoon. We were talking a couple months ago. One of his favorite things to do in his practice--he is an obstetrician--is to deliver babies, especially those high-risk pregnancies. He got so much enjoyment from bringing them to the point where they were successful. His insurance company made him stop performing high-risk deliveries, and they also cut him down from 250 or 300 deliveries a year, and he can deliver no more than 125 babies a year.
Southern Nevada is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country. Yet we are losing OB/GYNs and new ones are not coming in. So what happens in that area is women are having serious trouble locating OB/GYNs to deliver their babies.
I want to try to talk a little bit about the bill and what it really does do and try to clear up some of these issues. First, to go back to premiums. It was said that in places such as California premiums and caps on economic damages--caps on pain and suffering don't work. According to the CBO, they do work. H.R. 5, which is virtually identical to the bill we have today, would significantly lower premiums for medical malpractice insurance from what they would otherwise be under current law. Premiums for medical malpractice insurance ultimately would be an average of 25 to 30 percent below what they would be under current law.
The Congressional Budget Office is nonpartisan, and everybody is supposed to respect the numbers they put out around here. They certainly don't have any pro or con as far as tort reform is concerned. There are others such as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that say States with limits of $250,000 or $350,000 on noneconomic damages have average combined highest premium increases of 12 to 15 percent--that is average combined highest premium increases-- compared to 44 percent in States without caps on noneconomic damages.
The Joint Economic Committee of the Congress says that tort reform will reduce overall spending on health care savings by between $67 billion and $106 billion over the next 10 years.
I wish to talk a little bit about what kinds of economic damages. That has been criticized. We don't cap economic damages. What can you get in economic damages under this bill? You can get all lost wages and benefits. Lost earning capacity. They say it hurts children. You get a child who gets hurt because of malpractice and you can calculate what that child would have had over the next 60, 70 years.
They may not have the education to know what their total potential was but it is 60 or 70 years' worth of earnings they can get in economic damages. That can be significant. I will freely admit it is not what Barry Bonds would get if he got hurt, or LaBron James, the new basketball player. They would obviously get a lot more money because they have the potential of making so much more money. But this child would still get a significant amount.
Let me go through these points, and then I will yield for a question.
All medical expenses would be covered under this bill: long-term care, assisted living devices, child care, household services, lost time, special medical damages, value of care, counsel, advice, aid, comfort, counsel for children, parents, and spouses. All of those are possible under economic damages in this bill.
The final point I wish to make is this: Does this capping hurt patients? We just have to look at Colorado and California and ask: Are there people out there being hurt? I submit there are a lot more people being hurt and going to be hurt in States such as Nevada where the doctors are leaving, where the doctor will not be in that emergency room or will not be able to deliver a baby, especially in those high- risk pregnancies.
This one case in Florida is a very good example. I actually met this gentleman. He is a physician himself. He was not performing duties as a physician at this time, he was a parent of an injured child. His name is Dr. Frank Shwarin. His 4-year-old child in Naples, FL, fell and hit his head on the side of the swimming pool. This was in July of 2002. The father is named Frank and Craig is the son. He rushed him to the nearest hospital only to find that none of the neurosurgeons on call would treat patients under 18 years of age. Why? Because they could not get medical liability coverage to treat, even in an emergency situation, a pediatric neurosurgery case. They had to medevac his son a couple hours away. Fortunately, because the father is a doctor, he was able to keep his son alive during that time.
A woman testified before the Senate that when the level I trauma center crisis happened in my State, her father died when that trauma center was closed because he had to be sent to another emergency room, and an emergency room is not a trauma center. They do not have the kind of expertise to treat severe trauma. As a result, her father died.
We cannot guarantee he would not have died in the trauma center, but we can guarantee he would have had the best possible care and the best chance of living. That is what I believe this debate has come down to: The system is out of balance now. It is not working. To correct this imbalance, we have to start reining in some of these frivolous, outrageous jury awards.
I yield for a question.
That would be fine. I have a couple other issues to go through. There are a few other cases I would like to bring to the attention of our colleagues.
First, because we need to put a real face on this issue--we need to put a face on the patients, and I think it is legitimate to put a face on the other way. I think it is legitimate to put a face on somebody who has had a claim of malpractice and actually had malpractice committed against them, and it is also fair to put faces on those people who now are having trouble finding the kind of health care they need.
This is a balancing act, there is no question about it. There is no perfect answer to this situation. I wish there were. The fact is, the current system is driving health care providers out of the practice of medicine, hospitals are closing down, and we need to correct the situation so that when we seek health care in an emergency situation or in a nonemergency situation, we will have the kind of care we need.
A friend of mine in Las Vegas has Parkinson's disease and goes down to Loma Linda--I told this story earlier today--to see his subspecialist in neurology to treat this disease. He had some fairly radical surgery where they actually separate parts of the brain. He has had very good success with it. He had a specialist talked into moving his practice to Las Vegas shortly before the medical malpractice crisis hit in Las Vegas. Once that hit the news, the guy said: Sorry, I live in California where we have caps. I cannot go to Las Vegas and pay $250,000 a year for my practice for medical liability coverage. I cannot afford to do it. Why would I do that when I have a good practice here, we have caps, and it is working well in California?
He wanted to move to Las Vegas. He was ready to go with his family. He liked the quality of life in Las Vegas. He did not go simply because he cannot afford to take that kind of economic hit. So people in Las Vegas have to drive down there.
Most of the time those are not emergency cases, but for those cases that are an emergency, it is just a shame.
People say this is a State issue. I would counter that this is the United States of America, and we are supposed to be able to live where we want to live, and now we are saying to people: No, you cannot go there because of medical liability premiums, you cannot afford to open up your practice because of medical liability premiums. People should be able to find the kind of health care they need wherever in the United States and live the quality of life and obtain the best health care they can possibly get based on what is available in the area. I do not think outrageous premiums should be the limiting factor.
Let me close with this point, Mr. President. Earlier there was debate about punitive damages and that we are protecting big companies. Under this bill, we do protect companies that make medical devices if they have followed FDA regulations. In other words, the manufacturer would not be liable for punitive damages if it satisfied FDA's rigorous approval process and if the harm to the patient did not result from the company's violation of an FDA regulation. If they played by the rules that the Government set down, we protect them in this bill from noneconomic--we do not protect them from economic or from medical expenses. But if they violate the FDA rules, then they are not protected. I think that is fairly reasonable. That is why we think this bill is a reasonable compromise, is a reasonable approach to solving what I believe is an out-of-control system.
I will be happy to yield for questions.
Mr. President, we know we live in a litigious society. We are sue happy today. Everything is somebody else's fault, and we immediately go to court. Because of the nature of our courts, it is easier to settle. When we settle, it drives up the cost for all of us. A lot of the cases never make it because it is too expensive to take the case all the way to court.
A lot of companies especially are self-insured for certain amounts of money. It is easier for them to calculate the cost of going to court, and what happens in the long run is that all of us pay for that in higher premiums. When we have higher premiums, it is pretty simple. We end up with a situation where employers cannot afford it. A lot of small employers especially are dropping their health insurance coverage and we are ending up with 41 million uninsured in this country and a big part of that is the cost, not only of the premiums to doctors but just the whole cost of defensive medicine that we have to practice today because of the fear of being sued.
If the Senator would vote for us to go forward with the bill tomorrow when we have a cloture vote, we will have a lot of time to debate this. We can amend it and go forward with this debate. So I hope he will join us in voting for cloture because I do have a lot of evidence to justify the various provisions in the bill.
The bottom line is we all know that today it costs around $900 million to bring a single new drug to the market. I am not here to defend the pharmaceutical companies or any other company.
No. What I am here to say is we have a problem with our health care system today and we need to fix it. If we can go forward with this bill, if there are amendments the Senator thinks can improve this bill, let's at least move to it so that we can amend it, put the amendments forward, and have a healthy debate. We can take a week, or whatever it takes, to do that so that we can go forward and try to fix some of the glaring problems. If the Senator thinks there are some problems with the bill, let's bring forth amendments and try to fix it.
I say to my friend and colleague that it is obvious why. We could not get a bill to the floor. The Senator knows that and everybody here knows that. It is just like last year when the Senator was in the majority, there were at least two bills that I remember, the Energy bill, as, well as the prescription drug bill, that were brought to the floor that were not brought through committee. They were
brought directly to the floor by the majority leader at the time. It is not a common procedure, but it is a procedure that has to be done every once in a while to bring up important legislation that cannot go through committee and my colleagues know cannot get through committee.
The way the Senate works is so different than the House, and the Senator knows that. We both served in the House of Representatives. The House of Representatives does almost all their work in the committee. We can do a lot of our work on the floor and produce a pretty darn good product by bringing it to the floor, amending the bill on the floor, and that is what I think we should do.
Mr. President, I say to my colleague that it is a great point. I practiced veterinary medicine and I understand how professional boards work. I understand that with professional boards there is a self-policing that is assumed. It is supposed to happen with lawyers. It is supposed to happen with accountants. It is supposed to happen with veterinarians. It is supposed to happen with physicians. The big problem today with professional boards is they are afraid to do something with somebody's license because if they do, they can be held personally liable. That happens time and time again.
All of the professional boards go through this; that as badly as they would love to jerk somebody's license, unless it is so clear and the evidence is so outrageous of what they have done to deserve their license being jerked, it just does not happen. Frankly, it should happen more. There are incompetent doctors. There are incompetent lawyers. There are incompetent veterinarians. More of them should have their license jerked in that case, and I wish they were empowered a little more and maybe protected a little more to do that.
I am happy to yield for a question.
The Senator from Alabama brings up a very true point, but also the Senator from Illinois is correct in that we do need to do a better job of policing the physicians. They need to do a much better job of that. That is why I brought up the point of the boards. The point is, though, if we vote for cloture tomorrow, maybe we can work this out. Maybe we can come up with something that could be addressed, or at least give suggestive language to the States to be able to work this out. It is so clear that if we can invoke cloture--for the general public, that means that we can proceed to the bill. The vote tomorrow is just whether we can proceed to the bill. All of this is just pre- debate on whether we are going to proceed to a bill that is so critical to the future health care in this country.
I do not know if the Senator can see this chart--maybe we can have that chart turned just slightly so the Senator from Alabama can see it, but it brings up the exact point. The States that have capped noneconomic damages in the white, California and Colorado, represented by Los Angeles and Denver, in those States let's go down to the OB/GYNs, $54,000 in Los Angeles for the annual premiums for the medical liability insurance, $30,000 in Denver. Go over to New York; it is almost $90,000; in Las Vegas, $108,000. I guarantee that number in Las Vegas is old because friends of mine who are OB/GYNs say they are paying anywhere from $130,000 to $150,000 a year. Chicago, $102,000 and Miami is over $200,000 a year. The cities in gray, representing the states in gray, have no tort reform that has been on the books. Nevada has it but it has not been on the books long enough. It will take 6, 8, 10 years. Los Angeles and Denver have had their laws on the books long enough to work.
Because they have enacted what we want to do today, we see these premiums.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Talent.) The Senator from Alabama.
If the Senator will yield, is the Senator aware that, for instance, in Las Vegas, they are limiting
the number of babies they are allowed to deliver to 125. What your friend was talking about is right, they used to deliver 250 to 300. Now they limit how many they can deliver.