Senate
Mr. President, I would like to start with a little bit of perspective on the judiciary, and I would like to respond a bit to the economic arguments I heard discussed over the last 30 minutes which are sort of not in touch with reality,…
Mr. President, I would like to start with a little bit of perspective on the judiciary, and I would like to respond a bit to the economic arguments I heard discussed over the last 30 minutes which are sort of not in touch with reality, certainly not in touch with the reality of those folks who live and work in New Jersey and those across the country.
Let's start with a simple proposition that there are 172 nominations before the Senate. The commonsense reality is, 168 have been confirmed, 4 have been held up. I hear this view that people should not have the ability to express their point of view about judicial philosophy, temperament, the perspective of the individual judges. But I don't know what we are here for if we are not supposed to exercise our judgment and work within the rules as established. One hundred sixty-eight to four seems to be a pretty favorable ratio by most human standards anywhere across America, when you look at judgments about the quality of folks you would interview for a job. It is sort of common sense.
In my own State of New Jersey, we are six for six, including a circuit court judge. We worked very carefully with the folks at the White House about background, worked in a cooperative sense. That has not happened across all of America. That is what people are arguing is now the case with the four who are on this board. There is a legitimate right to debate one's judicial philosophy. The rules of the Senate are very clear and have been used many other times.
This idea that there have been no filibusters is blatantly false. We can go back to the Abe Fortas situation, and there are other situations where it may not have been the end game but it was certainly the starting point for holding back, going forward with judicial nominations. There are a number of them. I am sure these have been identified here on the floor, whether it was the Fortas nomination for chief justice; Rosemary Barkett, a judicial nominee, had a similar situation; Supreme Court Justice Steven Breyer, Judge Paez, Lee Sarokin, and Marsha Berzon.
It has been argued and researched that 63 judicial nominees of the committee and 6 judicial nominees on the floor have been filibustered in the past. It is not something that is new. But what is really hypocritical, in my view, is we are focused on a technique that has been used to stop four judges many of us on this side of the aisle find extreme, when 55 Clinton nominees were not given hearings to be even discussed, 55. I could read the list of them. That is about, if my mathematics are correct, relative to the number, 30 percent stopped, cold dead stopped, without even having an opportunity to be reviewed, 55 Clinton nominees against 4 Bush nominees.
I don't know that it serves a useful purpose to say, we did this and we did that. The fact is we need to have a serious review of judges, and people ought to be able to express their opinions within the rules about whether they think they are qualified on the basis of standards that are generally accepted: Judicial philosophy, whether they will uphold the Constitution, settled law, all those kinds of issues.
The fact is in another time or another place, people primarily used the committee process to keep judicial nominees from even being reviewed.
What is the result? I want to reconfirm that 98 percent of those nominees President Bush has put forward have been confirmed. Only 2 percent have not. Again, that is an overwhelming commitment to moving judges through this process and significantly better than has occurred in previous administrations.
Again, the filibuster has been used as well. I just don't think we are reciting facts properly and history right.
There is another very fundamental situation here. Contrary to the claims we hear, we think there is some kind of vacancy crisis in our Federal courts. I would like to have 100 percent myself, but 95 percent of Federal judicial appointments are now filled. When we had a change of administration, because of that 55 and the process that went through, it was only 75 percent. There was a distinct process of holding back, pushing back with regard to what the folks on the other side were prepared to do when working with another President. That is why when people talk about 168 to 4, that perspective is not being brought to the discussion.
It is very simple: 55 folks stopped in the last 4 years, and there has been 4. People can argue that somehow from their perspective those 55 were outside the mainstream. Some were not brought up for discussion in the committee. But the process we are using here is to make sure the debate on the
floor brings out these extreme views, operating within the rules. I think we have facilitated a significant improvement in the ability of the courts to fulfill their function. That is what is the practical element. Those 168 are real because they are dealing with the issues the American public has to deal with. Our court system is actually functioning better than it has because we have been very facile in making sure judicial appointments have gone through. It is just a matter of perspective.
Certainly.
The Senator from Missouri maybe has reviewed all of the transcripts from those committees. I have not. I do know the President of the United States sent nominations here and in most instances they were. The 55 that I have, and there are a number of them I haven't reviewed, there was an attempt to try to get a number of those before the committee, and they were not allowed to be debated. It never got started. I can't speak to all 55. I have not reviewed all of the transcripts.
I appreciate the discussion with the Senator from Missouri.
What we have here, in my view, at 20 minutes of 4 on a Thursday morning, is a view that there were different techniques used by the folks on the other side of the aisle to restrict a President from having the kinds of judges and the number of judges they wanted to put into the courts which actually led to something that wasn't good for the American people; that is, a much higher vacancy rate in the Federal district courts than is the case today. I know in my own case and in the State of New Jersey, we are five for five on district judges and one for one on circuit judges, because we are working in a cooperative manner to try to get to a result that will allow the courts to have the judges to be able to deal with the cases. I think 168 is showing that happened across this country. So because there are three or four judges people believe are outside the mainstream--the special-interest stuff I have a hard time understanding. I am not a lawyer, but I read some of these cases where people don't believe in the incorporation of businesses and want to take away fundamental purposes of how that works in this world. That is outside the mainstream. That is difficult for me to understand. Therefore, I think it is perfectly reasonable to question whether that is an appropriate appointment to one of our most important appeals courts.
So, again, one of those four--or maybe it will be six, as the Senator talks about, by the time we get to whatever hour in the morning we vote on this stuff on Friday; maybe that will be the case. But I think it is important we as Senators review the record and, within the rules, use our judgment to decide whether someone is in the mainstream of judicial philosophy. Apparently, that was happening in previous administrations for 55 folks; they were just using a different technique as opposed to this particular one.
Again, I go back to the fundamental issue. It left a gaping hole in the ability of our courts to deal with the American public's needs in the Federal courts--the 75 percent fill ratio, or 25 percent vacancy ratio. Now we have a 4.8 percent vacancy ratio. I think, ultimately, somebody is going to say what is going on here? Are we actually dealing with the issues the American people need, which is having the judicial system that actually works.
I have to talk a little bit about the economy because I heard some other questions, and we talked about payroll employment versus other measures. Frankly, I don't know a single serious economist in America who doesn't say we measure the standard job performance of this economy, this country, by looking at payroll employment. It is accepted as the base standard by economists across the country. The kinds of comparisons to other standards, those are all well and good. I think they reflect, frankly, the growth in the population.
We are not creating jobs rapidly enough to actually reduce the level of unemployment. That is why payrolls have always been used as a basic issue, because it takes into account the growth of the population as well, which, by the way, we are at about the lowest--I think we had a little uptick, a minor uptick in the last 2 months in the percentage of Americans who are working out of the total population. The fact is we have lost something approaching 3 million payroll jobs under this administration. What is more important is to get to the basic fact, which is 9 million Americans are unemployed. That is the real deal. It is not whether it is growing--certainly, it is a painful experience for those who lost jobs, but there are 9 million Americans who want to work and cannot do it. It is up by 3 million since this administration took hold. Nobody is pulling that number out of the air. That is why we are trying to talk about those jobs versus the four judicial jobs within the perspective I tried to relate.
When you have 95 percent of the positions filled in the judiciary, I think somebody is doing their job filling those holes. But we are not doing the right things about creating jobs for Americans. That is just fact. It is not hyperventilation. Nine million Americans are looking for work and they don't have it. By the way, 2 million of them have been unemployed longer than 6 months. One could ask what are we doing about that. You know, we have not passed a minimum wage, we have not extended unemployment insurance for people who are now coming on the rolls of the long-term unemployed. We are not really creating a jobs program in a serious sense. We have certainly cut taxes and I guess--to go back to Econ 101, at some point if you throw enough money into the system, we will create some jobs. We have about a $300 billion budget deficit and a 1 percent interest rate, and we have had them for a very long period of time, at these stimulative levels. At some point, you are going to get job growth. Was it an efficient way to do it? I wonder, when we have created about $5,000 in debt for every individual in America. That doesn't seem to jibe with an efficient use of resources. It certainly is not a rampage of growth or a booming economy that we have for most Americans.
The latest economic statistics came out and everybody said how wonderful they were. They weren't too good in New Jersey. We lost another 11,800 jobs--11,800 manufacturing jobs in the month of August. We have a little bit of lag between when the State numbers come out and the Federal numbers. We are about to close our last two auto plants in New Jersey. We are closing the Ford plant for sure, in Edison, and we have the GM plant, which they are going to extend at about half production for the next 2 years, and they are going to look at shutting it down.
Every week, we get another major employer laying off manufacturing jobs in the State of New Jersey. New Jersey probably has had as strong an economy as anyplace because we have the pharmaceutical industry, which is growing. But our manufacturing base is out the window.
We don't talk about those 9 million jobs. We are talking about four jobs here, and I don't get it. I don't see what our priorities are. We are trying to talk about minimum wage and about transportation and we are trying to talk about a whole host of things that would allow us to have the opportunity to get this economy going and create jobs for those 9 million people--not these 4 folks, where we have already approved 98 percent of those interviewing for those jobs.
I don't know. I am sort of simple, but I think a 98 percent positive conclusion out of 172 folks interviewing for these jobs is pretty good. We have actually filled in the holes in the Federal judiciary, and we have a major problem with 9 million Americans who are looking for work. We don't spend any time talking about how we are going to create jobs here, except we are going to
have tax cuts every hour on the hour between now and the next decade, which will put debt on my kids and then their kids to follow. We may get some job growth as a function of doing this, but was it efficiently provided to the American people? I think that is very hard to say.
Unanimous Consent Request--S. 224
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate return to legislative session and proceed to the consideration of calendar No. 3, S. 224, a bill to increase the minimum wage, that it be read a third time and passed, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table.
Again, I think we have our priorities mixed up here. There are a whole bunch of folks in this country who benefit enormously from the minimum wage. When they go out and buy things, that will stimulate the economy. One of the great opportunities for us is to deal with some of these economic issues that we have, instead of haranguing. I think, unfortunately, about these four folks, about whom I think there is legitimate reason to have a debate--where they stand on judicial philosophy, and how their history is, or how their writings fit with settled law and from a constitutional perspective.
Again, we have put 98 percent of the nominees to work. We have not done anything about the 9 million Americans who don't have a job, who want to work. There are a whole bunch more who have dropped out of the system--I think about 4 million, if memory serves me correctly. It strikes me we have our priorities mixed up. I don't understand it. By the way, I will go through some other statistics. It is actually mind- boggling to me that we are spending so much time on four people, when the unemployment rate is 6 percent, and 9 million folks are without jobs. That is up from 4.1 percent 3 years ago. The poverty rate is up from 11.3 percent to 12.1 percent; I think that is 4 million people. The percentage of uninsured has gone up from 14.2 percent to 15.2 percent. About 2 million people have lost their health insurance in the last 3 years. The deficit has gone from a $236 billion surplus to a $304 billion deficit.
If somebody was running my company and they had a negative cash flow of 500 some odd billion dollars, I think I would find a new CEO. The national debt went from $5.6 trillion to $6.8 trillion. I guess that is for my grandkids to worry about, and it will be explosive. And judicial vacancies have gone down from about 10 percent to 4.6 percent. What is this picture? I just don't know where our priorities are in the scheme of things. We are talking about four people and we have 9 million Americans and a whole bunch who haven't had an increase in the minimum wage in 7 years. We cannot even get a vote on it and haven't been able to get a vote on it. They are not interested. Does that make any sense? I don't get it.
This is not the right priority where I come from, or for most Americans. I would rather fight like crazy for the 9 million people who want to work than just four judicial nominees out of the 168 judges who have already been approved. It is very important, in my view, that we have a proper prioritization and perspective on what is going on here, particularly when you look at it in the context of other techniques being used to hold up a whole bunch of judges at another period of time. We are talking about four here. I am no great legal constitutional scholar, but 168 to 4 is a pretty real number, and 55 folks left out by the other side is a real number.
I see my very good friend from Arkansas. It looks like he is chomping to go to work here. I would very much appreciate it if he has a comment on either of the things I have said, or I am sure he has more brilliant remarks to make.
I yield the floor to my friend from Arkansas.
I appreciate the discussion my colleague from Rhode Island brought up. I wanted to clarify one point of questions about an individual. Did you suggest Elena Kagan is now the dean of the Harvard Law School?
Was she unable to get a hearing in the Judiciary Committee when President Clinton nominated her for circuit court?
So she suffered from what you were suggesting, a pocket veto.
Yes.
As the Senator from Pennsylvania knows, I was just inquiring myself to try to find out more about this. This is not one of those I was aware of. I have a whole list of folks who waited 1,454 days, 1,000 days for a hearing, 602 days. If somebody looked at one of those nominees who was not allowed to come to the floor of the Senate for a vote, at least a broad group of folks who review the qualifications of an individual, you are qualified enough to be the dean of Harvard Law School but somehow not qualified to have a vote on the floor of the Senate.
Certainly.
If the distinguished Senator from Pennsylvania would allow, I don't know what elections have to do with confirming nominees, if they have gone before the Judiciary Committee and they are qualified. That seems disingenuous in the context of, we have qualified folks. They ought to be dealing with the circumstance of having an opportunity to be reviewed and brought to the floor. What we are debating is what is the technique that has been used at different times in our history--by the way, the pretty immediate history--to deal with a very simple question that some people want to understand the judicial philosophy and actions, how an individual will deal on the court. Sometimes when Republicans are not controlling the White House, they are willing to use the committee system to make that happen. Some of us on our side of the aisle sort of wouldn't mind debating folks on the floor, using the rules to make sure we bring out extremists' points of view.
I point out, 168 to 4. I will go through the circuit courts in a minutes.
Yes.
I appreciate the Senator from Rhode Island helping me respond to the Senator from Pennsylvania's question: 18 months, not 2 months; no hearing; no floor vote; someone who at least some folks who look at legal capacity and qualifications thought enough of, after she was not reviewed by the Senate either with a hearing or floor vote, to become the dean of the Harvard Law School.
Again, my point is, we seem to be talking out of a sort of surreal context. One hundred sixty-eight to four is on the face of it an important statement of how there has been cooperation. I went through in New Jersey five for five on district court judges and one circuit court judge. When people work together, you can get the positive results in this whole process.
The 168 to 4 shows we can have a positive result. Ninety-five percent of all judicial positions are filled. That, by the way, is in contrast with only 75 percent at the end of the Clinton administration, because there had been such a limited number of folks who had been able to actually get a hearing and ultimately a floor vote.
There is also the statement that we are somehow or another being far more restrictive. I do want to review that it is 10 times the number of nominees blocked by the technique of not giving hearings or allowing for nominations to be reported to the floor that occurred in the Clinton administration. It was 63 nominees blocked in the 1995-to-2000 period, against 2 percent so far in the 2001-to-2003 period of Bush nominees. There is something about the raw numbers of this that don't make sense and wouldn't to anyone if they actually focused on them in a commonsensical way.
I want to get to the circuit court judge issue. If you look back to the Carter administration on through, we heard it is roughly 10 circuit court judges a year per individual. This is sort of like figuring out when the best rate of return in the market is over the last 50 years. You can pick certain sections and everything looks wonderful. I would just like to look in this 1995-to-2000 period when Clinton nominees were languishing in the hearing room. Hearings held for judicial nominees averaged for the Clinton administration 9 versus 22 with respect to what is going on in the current situation. Judicial nominees given hearings, 43 versus 81. Circuit court judges, nominees given hearings, 9 under President Clinton, 19 circuit court. That is on average. The confirmation is 68 judges confirmed on an annual basis versus 38 in the Clinton years. That is 1995 to 2000. Circuit court judges, it was only 7, not 10 as we heard before, if you look at that 1995-to-2000 period. It is 12 judges under the current administration.
We can pick these numbers, any number you want, to try to make cases. But the fact is, we are approving more judges, we are dealing with the situation on a much more legitimate basis, on an ongoing basis than what occurred in the previous administration.
I just happen to have the yearbook of those folks who were left out in 1995 to 2000. There could be four we would have here supposedly under the current situation.
By the way, I happen to know one of these judges, Stephen Orlofsky, a district judge in New Jersey who was unanimously confirmed for district court judge and then never got a hearing. I happened to know the specifics of that because it was closer to home. Ultimately we just filled this position with Michael Chertoff who seems to me to be a fine appointment, one I recommended, stood by and pushed very hard for because people worked together. They cooperated, the White House, the folks in the Judiciary Committee, and the Senators from the area. I think this can be done. I think 168 to 4 shows it is being done. I would contrast that with the over 50 nominees, 1995 to 2000, who never got a hearing.
I am just going to point out two of these. Judge Helene White of Michigan was nominated to the Sixth Circuit, waited in vain 4 years, 1,454 days for a hearing. It may not be a filibuster on the floor, but for 1,454 days she couldn't get a hearing. I think it gets to the same result. We are not dealing with Presidential nominations. The fact is, there were 55 of these folks. In fact, we have only identified four who seemed to be so far out of the mainstream that a number of us are concerned about how that fits.
I could go through this. There is a James Beatty from North Carolina nominated to the Fourth Circuit. He didn't get a hearing either, waited 3 years, 1,033 days, never got a hearing. This went on. You could get on down into the weeds on a whole series of these folks. But these people never got a hearing. It is just a different technique. We are talking about four people. There is a legitimate view that their actions were outside the mainstream. Maybe they got votes once they got to the floor, but they never got out of committee. I think that is a major issue.
The other thing I will segue off into is the issue the Senator from Rhode Island talked about. What is really hard about this is there is an incredible agenda for America to be discussing. I think we could afford to spend 30 hours talking about how we put 9 million Americans back to work. I think it is pretty hard to understand how we got the priorities. We have 168 positive elements with regard to our judicial nominations accepted and only 4 turned down, but we have had 3 million lost jobs, 2\1/2\ million manufacturing jobs. We have had the deficit go from a $236 billion surplus to a $304 billion deficit. We have seen a $500 billion plus negative cashflow because we are managing the economy poorly. We have seen it hurt and bite real individuals, 9 million. Two million people have been unemployed longer than their unemployment benefits would allow; 4 million people have dropped off the rolls.
It is an incredible misprioritization, in my view, that we are talking about four judges when there are 9 million people that we ought to be figuring out how to get back to work.
I thank the Chair. We will be back.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from New Mexico for what I think is a very appropriate underscoring of the unprecedented nature of not working with the Senators from the State which the judge has been nominated.
I concur with the Senator from New Mexico. In New Jersey's case, we are 5 for 5 on district court judges because there has been strong cooperation back and forth between the White House and Senators from New Jersey. We are one for one on the circuit court judges where people work together to try to move things. That is how we ended up, frankly, in general with 168 to 4 because this process has worked a lot more smoothly than I think this 30-hour talkathon has indicated.
I want to use the last few minutes of my time this morning to talk about priorities.
One hundred sixty-eight to four--scratch that and make that six, if you want. The fact is that is about 97\1/2\ percent if it were 6 of all of the judges who come up have been approved. When there is an outreach toward cooperation, things work pretty well around here. For some reason that has worked pretty well in most instances, and we are trying to look at a very narrow segment of something I think reasonable people can have differences of view about--the qualifications of the individuals. That is exactly why the rules are being used the way they are.
I want to place this in context. It is really more important in how it plays off of what the Senator from New Mexico said.
We have real issues in this country right now. The fact is we have 9 million Americans unemployed. We can spend 30 hours here talking about four or six judges when we have 9 million people unemployed.
By the way, the statistics going down in national terms don't seem to fit New Jersey. The latest statistics we have show we have had 11,800 jobs lost in the last reported period. Unemployment has grown by about 258,000 since the year 2000. New Jersey has brought 55,000 manufacturing jobs in the Nation.
These are real people. At least when I go back to the streets of communities I represent, people are more interested in what is going on with their jobs and what is going on with the economy than whether we have a difference of opinion about four judges or five judges when we have confirmed 168.
It seems to me we have our priorities all messed up here when there are 9 million Americans left out of the economic system.
It is hard for me to understand why poverty is growing in this country. The number is up almost 1 percent--from 11.3 to 12.1 percent. In New Jersey, that is 69,000 people who have gone onto the poverty rolls who weren't there before the current administration's economic policies were put in place, and 148,000 New Jerseyans have gone off the rolls of those who have health care. These are real issues. These are the things that impact people's lives.
These 4 judges out of 172--it is pretty hard to understand why we are spending all night and all day talking about that when we ought to be doing something about health care in this country; when we ought to be doing something about prescription drugs, while we have been waiting for somebody in the dark of night to try to put together a bill. It doesn't make sense that we have the focus on something that is so narrow and is not even in the context of actual reality because we are actually filling those jobs. But we are not doing anything about the 9 million Americans who are losing jobs.
We can't get, by the way, an increase in the minimum wage. It has been 7 years since we increased the minimum wage around here. We can't get a debate on that.
Unanimous Consent Request
I ask unanimous consent that the Senate now return to legislative session to proceed to the consideration of calendar No. 3, S. 224, the bill to increase the minimum wage, that the bill be read a third time and passed, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table.