Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I appreciate the comments of the gentleman from Rhode Island, and I want to agree in substantial measure with what he said about the…
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I appreciate the comments of the gentleman from Rhode Island, and I want to agree in substantial measure with what he said about the progress that Cyprus has made both in countering Russian influence and in combating international money laundering and other issues on which we have been working with them. I do believe that, as the gentleman indicated, the embargo that has been in place since 1987 ought to be considered and looked at, and there ought to at least be considered a plan to gradually move away from that embargo if and as Cyprus continues to make progress in weaning itself off Russian weapons and the other priorities that we have with them.
What I worry about is, all of a sudden, in a total of a 10-minute debate on the National Defense Authorization Act, that we come in and say, ``Okay, the embargo is gone; what has been in place since 1987, never mind anymore,'' without really thinking through the consequences and having that plan that helps us work with Cyprus to get to a better place.
And I don't need to remind Members that this area is very complex, with a
number of actors that have intense interest in what happens in Cyprus and in the region. I am not saying that we don't move in that direction, but I am saying, to come here with a 10-minute debate and say, ``Okay, never mind what we have done since 1987'' is fraught with danger.
So, for that reason, I must oppose this amendment. I appreciate the progress that is being made. I think it is important to look for ways to build on that progress, but for us to come in and say, ``Oh, never mind; we are going to upend something that has been in place for so many years'' would be dangerous.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chair, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
Mr. Chair, I simply want to make two points.
One is that the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control is supposed to meet with her Russian counterpart on this issue next week. What are we doing? We come to the floor, and we want to tie her hands. We want to restrict her ability to negotiate with the Russians. That doesn't make any sense to me.
There has been discussion about flaws in the treaty, how it has not kept up with changes in technology. Yet the House wants to come and say, ``Well, we think we ought to extend it anyway,'' giving the Russians a benefit that they don't have to give anything up for.
It may be that we come to a point where we think extending New START makes sense. The Russians ought to participate in that as part of a negotiation, not a unilateral move for us.
Secondly, I have to note more broadly in this bill that when New START was ratified, part of the agreement was, yes, we will go down to a lower number of nuclear weapons, but we are going to put increased investment into the nuclear weapons complex to make it more responsive, because with lower weapons, if something goes wrong, you have less margin for error.
This bill before us cuts the requested funding from the nuclear weapons complex. It cuts funding requested for the Minuteman III replacement. It cuts in a variety of ways our attempt to have a strong nuclear deterrent.
Mr. Chair, it seems to me the studies that have been conducted make it clear that it makes no cost sense to try to extend the life of these missiles that have been in place for so long.
I think what is really at stake here is whether the three legs of the triad upon which our defense has depended for so many decades are to be renewed, modernized, and remain credible.
Each leg of that triad, the submarines, the air leg, and the missiles that we are talking about now, have unique characteristics. It is the three of them working together that has been so successful in making sure that our country has been protected and that no nuclear weapon has been used since the end of World War II.
It is essential to modernize the land leg base of our triad to make sure that it stays credible, modern, and safe. That is why this amendment should be rejected.
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the gentleman yielding.
Mr. Chairman, my understanding is that, in January of this year, the independent Office of Cost Estimating and Program Evaluation, which is part of the Department of Energy's NNSA, provided a report and an objective analysis of this program. Everything that they reported was that the program remains on budget as expected for the first production unit by fiscal year 2025.
I think what has happened is that they have a greater opportunity, a greater need, to spend more money from 2019 to 2020 than they originally planned. Now, that can occur for several reasons.
Number one, a program can start to move a little faster so you can make good use of money. Unfortunately, what sometimes happens is once you start looking into some of these very old warheads, you discover problems that need some resources in order to deal with those problems.
Now, we can't really talk on the floor about the specific concerns with any particular warhead today because of classification. But the key point is, the overall funding program has remained consistent and perfectly within the guidelines of what was planned originally.
Again, I am afraid that this amendment, like the last one, is delayed by study. We can study things to death,
but we have not done what we should to renew the three legs of the triad and the weapons which constitute our nuclear deterrence, and upon which our security depends. We have basically reached the point where we have no margin for error. We have to move ahead with submarines, we have to move ahead with the new bomber, we have to move ahead with the Minuteman III replacement, and we have to move ahead with the warhead replacement, not only to make sure they work, but to make sure the people around them are safe. That is the crucial point.
Mr. Chair, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentlewoman from North Carolina (Ms. Foxx).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Puerto Rico (Miss Gonzalez-Colon).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Fitzpatrick).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wittman).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. Fortenberry).
Mr. Chairman, I have no further speakers, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 2 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, we have had a number of speakers over the course of the last 2 days talk about that this bill provides a pay raise. I just want to clarify that it does not.
There is an existing formula which provides the military a 3.1 percent pay raise. If we do nothing, they still get a 3.1 percent pay raise.
Now, in the past, sometimes the Obama administration, for example, recommended a lower pay raise. Sometimes in Congress we have enacted a higher pay raise than the formula would require.
But the key point is 3.1 percent is what the formula is. This bill does not change that in any way. If the bill passes, if it doesn't pass, the pay raise still goes in.
I think the Speaker just indicated that she supported the amendment we are discussing now. Let's be clear. The bill before us cuts $17 billion from the President's request. The amendment before us cuts another $16 billion from that.
So all the folks who have come here and said it is not too much, it is not too little, it is just right, they have to vote against this amendment because this cuts an additional $16 billion.
What is the effect of this $16 billion? It decimates counterterrorism operations around the world. All of this cut comes from operations and maintenance within the OCO, the overseas contingency account. That means we do not do as much to fight terrorists overseas.
It hurts our ability, as another example, to train and help the Ukrainians fight the aggression that is occurring on their soil. Lots of people talk about standing up to the Russians. This amendment takes away the biggest factor in Ukraine that is helping push back against the Russian-backed insurgents. It decimates support for the Afghan security forces.
Whether you think Americans should be there or not, we are trying to help you. Afghans defend themselves. This amendment takes that away.
Real consequences in the real world, I think this amendment finally gets to where the direction of this bill is headed. Members should oppose it.
Mr. Chair, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Lamborn).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Waltz).
Mr. Chair, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chair, I have no other speakers other than myself, and I reserve the right to close.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, for some years now, there have been some people in the country who go around ginning up concern that Americans are going to be whisked out of their beds at night and taken to Guantanamo and left there indefinitely.
This sort of scaremongering has been used to call attention to themselves. It has been used to raise money.
As Chairman Smith noted, we have had some debates on this issue in the past. It had kind of died down when everybody realized that 18 years after 9/11 it hadn't happened.
Yet, there are still some out in the countryside who try to frighten people that, well, it could someday. Well, actually, it can't.
Let me read three provisions, starting with the FY 2012 NDAA that said, ``Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of U.S. citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.''
Now, that says nothing here affects any right of U.S. citizens or those captured or detained inside the United States. That was part of the law to begin with.
Another part of the law to begin with says, ``The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section . . . does not extend to citizens of the United States.''
Well, we passed that in 2012. There were some concerns, so we come back the very next year and have a rule of construction that has been passed and signed into law.
It says that:
Nothing in that law or in the AUMF shall be construed to
deny the availability of the writ of habeas corpus or deny
any constitutional rights in a court ordained or established
by Article III of the Constitution for any person in the
United States when detained pursuant to an AUMF and who is
otherwise entitled to such writ or rights.
So, we have belts, suspenders, ropes, pretty much anything you can think of, to make sure that no one inside the
United States, no U.S. citizen's constitutional right is affected. And it hasn't been. For 18 years this has not been a problem.
So, I would suggest, Mr. Chairman, that it is not a problem now, that it is not something that we need to tinker with, especially with so many court decisions that have interpreted some of the legal issues related to detainees.
In fact, we should push back against attempted scaremongering and reject this amendment.
Mr. Chair, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chair, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from West Virginia (Mrs. Miller).
Mr. Chair, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Shimkus).
Mr. Chairman, I yield an additional 2 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. McCarthy), our Republican leader.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Hill).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Riggleman).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Stauber).
Mr. Chairman, I have no further speakers on this en bloc package, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I have no speakers, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I have no speakers here at this time, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chair, the last speaker made a comment that this is the first time in many years that House Democrats have an opportunity to put their priorities on a defense bill. I realize the gentleman is new to this body, but that statement is simply not true.
Last year, the House Armed Services Committee reported the bill to the floor by a vote of 60-2. There were more Democratic amendments made in order under the Rules Committee last year on the floor than there were Republican amendments. The bill passed the House with 351 votes.
It has been a hallmark of the Armed Services Committee to work in a collaborative way and to give every member of the committee and, ultimately, of the House the opportunity to make an imprint on the nature of this bill.
The reason I have to take a moment is just to contrast that with what has happened this year. Both the vote coming out of committee and the fact that of the contested amendments--in other words, of those amendments where there was some disagreement, some debate, and a potential vote. There were about 60 Democratic amendments, and there was exactly one Republican amendment.
That limits the ability of the minority to shape the outcome of the final bill. So the gentleman's statement has led me to want to emphasize the difference this year versus prior years. I think it is too bad, but I hope that at some point in this process, we can return to that collaborative process.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chair, I appreciate the comments of Chairman Smith about the bipartisan contributions in the past, and that was the primary point I wanted to make.
I do disagree with him about one key point. It was certainly never my intention, and I do not believe the intention of any member of the Armed Services Committee, to oppose this bill from the beginning.
As a matter of fact, as I indicated yesterday, for many of us, it was a very challenging decision on how to vote with the bill coming out of committee, not because there weren't serious, substantive disagreements--there were--but there was hope that it was possible to bridge those disagreements so that there could be some bend on both sides to get to our traditional sort of bipartisan vote on the floor.
What definitely changed and is unprecedented is to have one substantive, contested Republican amendment allowed on the floor--one-- versus 60 Democratic amendments. Those numbers speak for themselves. There has been, other than the one amendment on low yield--Mr. Turner yet to come--no other opportunity by Republicans on a contested issue.
There have been en blocs, Republican and Democratic, absolutely. That is the way it is every year. But as far as standalone debates where it is contested, there has been one opportunity for Republicans to improve this bill. That has been disheartening because it makes it much more difficult for people on this side of the aisle to get to where we can support this bill.
I share the chairman's commitment. This is not about us. This is about the troops. Our commitment is to work through every step of whatever it takes to get to a point that we can do good by the men and women who serve. That is the objective here.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chair, I have no further speakers at this time, and I yield back the balance of my time.
I continue to reserve the balance of my time, Madam Chair.
Madam Chair, I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have no speakers, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Perry).
Madam Chair, I have no further speakers at this point, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have no speakers, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have no speakers, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Florida (Mr. Spano).
Madam Chair, I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have no speakers at this time, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have no speakers at this time, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I claim the time in opposition.
Madam Chair, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. McCaul), the distinguished ranking member of the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Madam Chair, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I have only myself to close, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I yield an additional 1 minute to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. McCaul).
Madam Chair, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Madam Chair, I am very sympathetic to the idea that Congress has neglected to fulfill its responsibilities under the Constitution in this area for many years, with Presidents of both parties and with congressional majorities of both parties.
Unfortunately, I believe that this amendment goes way too far in restricting the ability of the President to exercise his responsibilities under Article II.
I note that one of the most recent speakers referenced President Obama. It was President Obama who used force in Libya with no authorization from this Congress. As a matter of fact, every President since Truman has done so. The notion that it is either all-out war or nothing does not reflect the way the world is or has been for the last 70 years.
I also have to note that it is somewhat concerning to me that much of this amendment seems focused personally at President Trump, who is bending over backward not to use military force and has campaigned against some of the uses in the past. It does not seem to me to be appropriate.
On the substance of the amendment, we have asked senior general officers with responsibility for operations on the Joint Staff and CENTCOM to look at this language. What they tell us is that they are concerned with this language. I understand the representations that have been made, but the people who have to live under it believe it would foreclose the inherent right of self-defense at a time when we have specific, detailed, and credible threats against 65,000 military personnel in the CENTCOM region. They believe it would immediately stop purely defensive intelligence-sharing and defensive border security we are doing with partners in the region. They believe it would halt orders with options to strike back proportionally against Iran in order to limit escalation and would stop active information- related capabilities directly countering Iranian threat networks.
Furthermore, they believe that there is enough concern about this language that it would at least throw doubt on our ability to come to the defense of Israel if it were under attack from Iran, Iranian proxies, or the Iranian threat network. They believe it would cast doubt on our ability to come to the defense of a ship or vessel in the Strait of Hormuz if an ally comes under attack.
I would point out that just within the last 2 days, an allied tanker was at least threatened by Iranian boats coming through the strait.
Senior general officers at the Joint Staff and CENTCOM believe it would threaten continued Seventh Fleet interdiction efforts in the Indo-Pacific to thwart Iranian sanctions evasion.
We have a number of ways that are not war but legitimate use of force.
People who have to live under it believe this goes too far and prevents them from doing what they are doing, which gets back to what Mr. McCaul was talking about. That is, this is only good news for Iran and the threat that they pose.
It uses a powerful funding mechanism to tie the President's hands, and they can only be untied after the House and Senate take action. We know that we often don't move too quickly in these areas.
Again, I am sympathetic with the idea that Congress needs to stand up and do our job. We need to do it responsibly, not the kind of overreach that gives assistance to adversaries and makes our allies much more concerned about whether we will stand with them or not.
Madam Chair, I believe this amendment should be rejected, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. McGovern. Madam Chair, I rise in support of the bipartisan amendment offered by Representatives Khanna, Gaetz, Engel, Smith (WA), Brown, Levin (MI) and me, along with 80 other cosponsors, to prohibit funding for any engagement in military hostilities in or against Iran without explicit authorization by Congress.
I want to thank my good friend, Congressman Khanna, for his leadership on this issue. I especially want to thank Armed Services Committee Chairman Smith, Foreign Affairs Chairman Engel and their excellent staff, who worked tirelessly to ensure that this amendment reflected a broad, bipartisan range of concerns on how best to respond to the relentless march to war with Iran that is happening under President Trump and his bellicose advisors.
Madam Chair, our nation almost went to war with Iran just a couple of weeks ago.
Think about this. We were apparently only moments away from the president launching an attack against Iran that could have quickly snowballed out of control into a major conflict. There was no consultation with Congress. No debate on this floor. No input at all from this House whose Members represent the servicemen and women who would be put in harm's way. Let alone a vote.
Democrats don't want war with Iran. Most Republicans don't want war with Iran. The American people certainly don't want a war in Iran.
But this president was apparently about to use an AUMF passed nearly two decades ago to fumble us into another conflict in the Middle East.
I'm glad the president backed off bombing Iran. But I'm terrified about the lack of thoughtful leadership coming from the Oval Office.
We need to make clear to this administration that the president cannot use an old AUMF to initiate hostilities against Iran.
Nor can he engage in military hostilities in or against Iran without first coming to Congress and getting a specific authorization for the use of such force. Period.
It's long past time for Congress to step up to the plate and carry out its constitutional responsibilities on matters of war and peace.
I urge all my colleagues, on both sides of the aisle, to support this amendment.
Madam Chair, I demand a recorded vote.