Motion To Instruct Conferees On H.R. 2660, Departments Of Labor, Health And Human Services, And Education, And Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. (Mr. Regula asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.) Mr. Speaker, we could just look at this chart and I would rest my case. The blue is the Pell grant under…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. Regula asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, we could just look at this chart and I would rest my case. The blue is the Pell grant under the Democrats. The red is the Pell grants under the Republicans.
Now, I am pleased that in the motion to instruct that the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Kildee) is urging us to adopt the number passed that was in the House-passed bill. We did not get a vote on the Democrat side; but, nevertheless, tonight we are being asked to instruct conferees to adopt the number that was in the House bill. And that is great. It was a good number as evidenced by the chart. This chart shows the maximum award under the Pell grant program. It has grown under Republican leadership, as evidenced by the red line here. And in the labor bill it maintains the maximum award of $4,050 for fiscal year 2004. When we took control of the Congress in 1995, the maximum Pell grant under the now-minority was only $2,340. And it was funded at $6.2 billion. Today under the Republican leadership, the maximum is $4,050 and the amount in the budget authority was $12.25 billion.
I agree with the previous speaker, this is a great program. It gives middle-income students access to college. In 2004 there will be about 4.9 million students, almost 5 million students that will have a chance to go to college because of Pell grants. In the last 2 years, the number of Pell grant recipients has surged by 25 percent. It is a good example of a need-based program meant to open doors and provide an equality of education opportunity. The poorer the student, the larger the award. It is a means-tested program, so it recognizes that those with the most need get the most help. It is an example of the Federal Government enabling school choice for millions of Americans. They can use their Pell grants for public or private schools; they can use them to attend religious schools. Real choice is one reason that this country's higher education system is the envy of the world.
And let me emphasize that in 2004 not one student will see their Pell grant reduced based on their circumstances. I think it is a record we can be very proud of. We can be proud as a Nation that we are providing some help to students to ensure that they have access to higher education. I think more and more we come to realize how important it is for individuals to get access and opportunity to get the benefits that go with higher education.
Personally, I would like to see the school system become seamless: from the day that student ends the first grade that they think in terms of going through 16 years and getting the college education, that we do not think there is a stopping place, that the student thinks in terms of their future ending up with some type of education beyond high school. The Pell grants ensure that every child will have an opportunity that might not otherwise get that chance.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield as much time as he may consume to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Peterson), a very valued member of the subcommittee.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Peterson).
That is right.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and let me make a couple of points here.
One, not one student will be denied a Pell Grant that meets the qualifications. Number two, the formula is written into the law, and we are not changing the formula. So the maximum amount will remain the same. And, number three, on July 10, 215 Republicans voted for the bill, and my colleagues tonight are saying in this motion that they agree with the number that was adopted then.
We support the motion because the motion is saying do what the Republicans did on July 10 in terms of funding the Pell Grants. We are totally in agreement. We were in agreement then, and we are in agreement tonight. We like the program. We want to make sure that every student that meets the criteria of need will have an opportunity.
So we do not have a disagreement tonight on what we are trying to accomplish, and we are pleased that the other side has this position tonight. We wish our colleagues had had it on July 10, but we welcome your support tonight and will join you in this motion.
I yield to the gentleman from Pennsylvania.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, we would like to do that, and we will certainly make every effort because we have not changed our minds since July 10 that this is a good program and should receive the funding that was incorporated in the bill at that time.
Once again reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, we are in agreement on Trio and GEAR UP, and I think the gentleman would be in agreement that we make the system as seamless as possible so that these students will enter kindergarten and the first grade with the idea that they are going to go all the way. And part of that would be the Pell Grants, to ensure that, regardless of their economic circumstances, and that is often beyond their control, but that they are still going to get that kind of an opportunity.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, let us be clear, there are no students going to be cut off. Those that meet the qualifications are going to get the grants in accordance with their family's economic situation. The formula is written into the law. We are not changing that.
Secondly, what this motion proposes is to do exactly what the House did on July 10. We welcome the support of the other side of the aisle and the fact that they are joining the 215 Members that voted for the bill that contain the Pell grant numbers exactly as are being proposed tonight, and we certainly support the motion to instruct because this motion is instructing House Members to do what we did on July 10. We are happy to join the other side in this effort and hope on a bipartisan basis prospectively in the future that we retain strong support for Pell.
All of the arguments that have been made tonight are very compelling, and it is what I would like to see, and that is to get the system seamless so that young people think in terms of 16 years, because if America is to be competitive in the years ahead, we need a very well- educated population. We have seen time and again how important that is to the future of our Nation.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.