Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to note that much of what has been said today in support of this bill has nothing to do with protecting the country from the ills outlined. What is somatic cell nuclear transfer? A woman donates an egg,…
Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to note that much of what has been said today in support of this bill has nothing to do with protecting the country from the ills outlined.
What is somatic cell nuclear transfer? A woman donates an egg, a patient donates a skin cell. Perhaps the nucleus is removed from the egg. The DNA from the skin cell is inserted into the egg. The egg is stimulated to divide into eight cells, and those are the stem cells.
What has been talked about in terms of embryo experimentation is certainly legal if this bill were to pass and instead of a skin cell there was a sperm that began that cell division, if we had in vitro fertilization, we could experiment all we wanted.
So I think where we are going with this proposal is apparently a plan to outlaw in vitro fertilization in the United States. I think we ought to be clear about that.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I, like the authors of H.R. 534, believe that we should outlaw human cloning. If we wanted to pass a bill that only prohibits human cloning, it would sail through Congress on a voice vote. But this bill goes too far. It halts the progress of medical research by banning somatic cell nuclear transfer for research and medical treatments. This research has promise for diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, diabetes and others. This bill criminalizes a scientific research process that takes place in a petri dish, regardless of the intent of the researcher or the inability of this process to result in the birth of a cloned child. The penalty for violating these provisions includes sanctions of a criminal fine and/or imprisonment for up to 10 years and a civil penalty of at least $1 million. This would represent an unprecedented intrusion of the criminal law into the scientific process.
I think the science teachers of America may be pretty appalled at what they hear and see on this floor today. I think much that has been said and will be said reflects a profound ignorance about the science, about the current role of the FDA in their regulatory practices, but also Americans need to ask themselves why the proponents of this bill want to ban this research, and I think the answer is simple: They want to impose their religious beliefs on the entire country.
This country reflects the diverse religious beliefs found all over the world. Some, like the authors of this bill, believe that all cloning is wrong. Others believe that research cloning should be allowed. These are all legitimate views, but I think it is wrong to use the political power of one group to criminalize the beliefs of another.
To better understand the real issue involved in this debate, it is important to understand what research cloning is. Somatic cell nuclear transfer has six steps: a woman donates an egg; a patient donates a somatic cell, like a skin cell; the nucleus is removed from the egg; the nucleus from the patient's skin cell is inserted into the egg; the egg is then stimulated to induce it to divide; the egg begins to divide, creating stem cells that are identical to the patient's own cells.
So we are talking about the creation of cells in a petri dish, not bringing a child into this world. That is why research cloning is supported by some of the most ardent pro-life conservatives like Senator Orrin Hatch and former Senator Connie Mack, who said, ``Anyone who would ban research on embryonic stem cells will be responsible for harm done to real live postnatal sentient beings who might be helped by this research.''
Why is this process important? Scientists believe that these stem cells are less likely to be rejected after transplant since they have the same genetic properties as the recipient. They could also help scientists learn why diseases occur. They also have important advantages over adult stem cells which cannot develop into as many cell types and which cannot be generated in the same quantities in the lab. That is why this bill is opposed by almost every organization representing patients and researchers, including Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, the Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation, the Biotechnology Industry Association, the Society for Women's Health Research, the Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research, and the Alliance for Aging Research.
I have heard the words that we are going down a ``slippery slope'' used by the proponents of this bill, but in fact the slippery slope is that being suggested by those who call six cells in a petri dish the equivalent of me or my mother. If it is murder to use somatic cell transfer and to create six cells for research purposes, then it must also be mass murder to have in vitro fertilization and discard the cells that are not later utilized by the couple using IVF. So the slippery slope is to eliminate in vitro fertilization in this country.
This debate really boils down to one question: Should an embryonic stem cell with no central nervous system, no chance of developing into a fetus have the same rights as a child suffering
from juvenile diabetes? I do not think so. I urge you not to rob sick Americans of their hope for a cure.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Announcement by the Chairman
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler), my colleague on the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. Waxman), a Member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I would note before yielding to my colleague from California a letter received from the Senior Pastor of the Riverside Baptist Church and the Legislative Director of the United Church of Christ, where it is said, ``While it is imperative that we as a Nation and as a people of faith proceed with caution, it is also important that we do what we can to alleviate the suffering of others. We believe that to ban this potentially life-saving research would be a mistake.''
I think it is important that we recognize the diversity of religious viewpoints on when life begins and not impose just one viewpoint on the country.
Mr. Chairman, I include for the Record the letter referred to.
February 26, 2003.
Hon. James Greenwood,
House of Representatives,
Washington, DC.
Dear Congressman Greenwood: As members of the religious
community, we would like to commend you for your leadership
on stem cell research. Your recognition of the great promise
of stem cell research and your support for legislation that
allows therapeutic cloning offer great hope for those
suffering from juvenile diabetes, Alzheimer's disease,
Parkinson's disease, spinal cord injuries, and other
ailments.
This is a difficult issue for all of us, and we understand
the complex decision you face in considering any legislation
that involves human cloning. While it is imperative that we
as a nation and as people of faith proceed with great
caution, it is also important to do what we can to alleviate
the suffering of others. Therefore, we believe that to ban
this potentially life-saving research would be a mistake.
Like most, we are opposed to the practice of reproductive
human cloning. A ban on this practice would be both welcome
and appropriate. Therapeutic cloning, however, requires
careful review. We are pleased that you considered this issue
in its entirety and took into account the countless
individuals who could be saved and whose pain could be
alleviated by this medical research. We have a duty to do
what we can to help our fellow man, and you have demonstrated
your commitment to doing so through your leadership on this
issue.
Sincerely,
Rabbi Hershel Billet,
President, Rabbinical Council of America, New York, NY.
Rev. Dr. Joan Brown Campbell,
Director of Religion, Chautauqua Institution, Chautauqua,
Mr. Chairman, I am happy to yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Watt), my colleague on the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. Chairman, I am very honored to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Holt), a distinguished scientist and Member of this House.
Mr. Chairman, I am honored to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Kind), a leader of the New Democrats and someone who has distinguished himself on the issue of medical research.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky), who has led efforts to promote science in this regard.
Mr. Chairman, I am happy to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Vermont (Mr. Sanders).
Mr. Chairman, I am happy to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Green), a member of the Committee on Commerce.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself my final 30 seconds.
Mr. Chairman, I urge a no vote on this bill. We have taken a consensus and we all agree that human cloning should be outlawed and warped it into a vehicle to impose one religious viewpoint on the scientists of this country. Not only is this wrong, but it will force scientists to flee our shores, will bring down the veil of ignorance to our country, and will remove us as having the leading scientific edge in the world for this biotechnology research.
I urge all Members to vote no.
Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to recommit.
I certainly am, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I first yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Wisconsin (Ms. Baldwin), my colleague on the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. Speaker, this bill not only ties the hands of our medical researchers; it prevents Americans from utilizing cures developed in other countries. There is no doubt that if this bill becomes law, we will lose our most talented medical researchers. They will flock to other countries that continue to allow therapeutic cloning; and hopefully, one day, they will help to develop cures to some of the worst diseases known to humankind.
What happens when a British researcher develops a cure for Alzheimer's or is able to regenerate insulin-producing cells in children with juvenile diabetes or learns how to generate nervous system cells that can restore spinal cord function after paralysis? Sick Americans should have access to these cures. But H.R. 534 prevents the importation of any products derived from somatic cell nuclear transfer. It would make it a crime for a terminally-ill person to receive medical care in America if the cure was developed using this science abroad.
That is both unnecessary and unfair. The motion to recommit is simple. It will ensure that cures developed in other countries are available to Americans suffering from Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, spinal cord injury, MS, severe burns, and other diseases.
If cures to these debilitating diseases are found, Congress should not stand in the way or require its citizens to travel to other countries to benefit from them.
There have been lots of argument today about a slippery slope. There is no slippery slope in this motion.
Mr. Speaker, I have been deeply troubled by many of the arguments I have heard today. I am troubled that some Members think they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on all Americans. I am troubled that in return, some of the most vulnerable members of society, like children suffering from juvenile diabetes, would be forced potentially to give up their best hope for a cure.
This country is a democracy; it is not a theocracy. I understand that some Members of this House have religious beliefs that are guiding them. My advice to them would be, if you object to the cures that are developed using this technology of therapeutic cloning, fine, do not use the cure. But do not try and deny other Americans cures to deadly diseases because of your own religious beliefs. That is simply an improper role for Congress to take.
Therapeutic cloning has nothing to do with cloning a child. There is no fertilization with sperm, there is no implantation into the uterus, there is no pregnancy, there is no child.
Somatic cell nuclear transfer is a scientific method where researchers create new stem cells in a petri dish. To listen to some of the debate today, one would see that there would be a picture painted that very tiny babies in test tubes are being the subject of this research. That is completely false. These are eight cells on a petri dish that can give lifesaving cures to Americans and others throughout the world who are suffering horrendous diseases.
I think we ought to take the advice of Senator Hatch and former First Lady Nancy Reagan who wrote, ``The embryonic stem cell research, under appropriate guidelines, may provide our scientists with many answers that are now beyond our grasp. There are so many diseases that can be cured, or at least helped, that we can't turn our backs on this.''
Do not turn your backs on the millions of Americans who might be able to benefit from cures made abroad.
Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.