Will the gentleman yield on that point? Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. On that exact point, if we were just reciting a litany of errors made in the sense of an honest misreading after a genuine inquiry, that would be one…
Will the gentleman yield on that point?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. On that exact point, if we were just reciting a litany of errors made in the sense of an honest misreading after a genuine inquiry, that would be one thing, but the really shocking evidence to the contrary is now coming out. In fact, we even see reports about where was the press? Why was this taking place? And it turns out the source for much of this information, not just for those in the intelligence agencies, but from those reporting on it, was coming from the same sources.
The general public listening to us might say, well, that is all well and good for you folks in the Congress to be mentioning these things now, to be commenting on it now, but we had no access to that. We were not privy to that kind of inquiry on the basis of a position in the Congress where we could actually ask in depth in closed briefings and hearings as to what the source of this information was. Yet we find now in the Washington Post just 2 days ago a report taken from the London Telegraph on commentary from Ahmad Chalabi. That name has been on this floor previously. The gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Delahunt) has examined Mr. Chalabi's career in detail. The gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Hoeffel), I believe, has done the same.
Mr. Speaker, let me explain what Mr. Chalabi admitted to. He is now on the Governing Council. This is the body upon which the United States is presently relying. This is the body upon which the United States is presently conducting policy in terms of their being able to take over on June 30, this arbitrary date that has been set by the Bush administration.
He now lays claim to the following. He was accused of peddling phony tips about Iraq's weapons, the very thing that the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Hoeffel) has been speaking of. Again quoting from the Washington Post, he shrugged off charges that he had deliberately misled U.S. intelligence, We are heroes in error.
He told the Telegraph in an interview Wednesday in Baghdad, As far as we are concerned, we have been entirely successful. Our objective has been achieved. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important.
Quoting it now from the Washington Post, not even to the families of all the killed and wounded?
Mr. Speaker, let me repeat then for those who may be tuning in and trying to get the context here. Let me repeat exactly what Mr. Chalabi said, our champion in Baghdad, the person upon whom is the principal resource apparently for the intelligence that was delivered to the President, delivered to the Congress, and apparently delivered to reporters who were all supposed to be checking sources.
Part of the thing that we need to remind ourselves and remind the public of is that we are dependent upon the professional integrity of journalists as well. We are dependent upon it. We are certainly the object of it often enough. We are dependent on them checking their sources to make sure that they are reliable. Let me repeat what he said.
The reason I want to do that is that this is as cynical and sinister a pronouncement as I have heard in my political lifetime. I am quoting Mr. Chalabi, as reported in the Washington Post, We are heroes in error. As far as we are concerned, we have been entirely successful. Our objective has been achieved. That tyrant Saddam is gone, and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important.
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield, the question now then becomes, unless I missed something, this Chalabi is a hired gun. This Chalabi is a creature of the administration. He has no executive authority here. He has no voting power. He does not make recommendations to the President of the United States as an adviser, other than as a hired hand. Where was the verification? This man has a vested interest in getting this country into war in Iraq.
What bothers me, what distresses me is that what he was saying fits very conveniently into the ideology and the philosophy and the foreign policy desires of some of the people who have been most adamant in advocating war with Iraq before the weapons of mass destruction principle was laid down as the foundation for war with Iraq.
It is not as if it is a conspiracy. It is not as if it is a hidden plot. It is not as if it is some diabolical machination taking place in secret. Matter of fact, we have had dialogue. I have had dialogue and discussion personally with those who advocated this, like Mr. Perle, Mr. Kristol, Mr. Boot, Mr. Woolsey, who himself was head of the CIA. They published their articles. They have their books written. They have had this position for some time.
So it is not as if this is something that I have suddenly discovered or others have suddenly discovered and now are shocked. I am not. What shocks me is that people would take ostensible information or intelligence and assume it to be true without checking it out thoroughly, precisely because it fit what they would like it to be.
I know when somebody is telling me something I want to hear, something I would like to be true, something I hope is going to take place, I know that a little bell goes off, a little tremor takes place in me saying, wait a minute, let us make sure that I am not being told something because I want to hear it, because I would like to believe it, because I want it to be so, particularly when the consequences are going to be those of life and death.
When you are making a recommendation and have the authority, particularly as President of the United States, as the Commander in Chief, have the capacity and the authority to act on that recommendation and to make it in turn to the people of this country, then it is incumbent upon you, more than perhaps any other person in this Nation, to be absolutely sure you know what you are talking about, what your sources are and how reliable they are, not just because someone has told you what you want to hear, but because you know it to be factual and the implications to be clear in terms of war and peace.
Mr. Speaker, if I may ask the gentleman from Massachusetts, who did the hand picking? Who did the hand picking? He did not pick himself. Is there someone in the administration, are there a group of people in the administration?
Perhaps the gentleman can enlighten me by answering that question.
Mr. Speaker, I have never seen a picture or any film of Mr. Chalabi when he was not smiling and when he did not have the smuggest look on his face and when he did not have the demeanor of someone who had pulled off a coup, when he did not have a patronizing attitude towards those doing the interview. I can understand why. He has played us for saps and suckers, and the result is we have dead and wounded, grievously wounded. The result is the sacking of the Treasury of the United States, and the result is that we have had people whose ideological bent in the administration was such that they wanted to go to war using each other, Chalabi using them, them using Chalabi, in the most cynical fashion, the result of which we now see before us.
He said, and I remind Members and those listening to us, what was said before is not important. That which became the justification for what we did is not important. He got what he wanted. Those who wanted to have war with Iraq got what they wanted. They are not paying the price. They are not the ones who have to suffer for the rest of their lives either by having grievous wounds or by having the irretrievable loss of someone that they love as a result of this.
The question for us and the question that we have to ask not just ourselves but the American people are going to have to ask, is, is this going to be allowed? Is this going to be something that we are going to pass off? The fact that the Newsweek cover that the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Delahunt) referred to in his remarks just previously could have a headline, ``How Dick Cheney Sold the War,'' the crass indifference of a headline like that in terms of its implications, as if you sell a war, not that you are driven into it, not that necessity forced you to come to that sorry and reluctant conclusion, but rather how you sold the war.
Nothing, I think, could be a commentary more persuasive to me of how this has been manipulated, how this has been maneuvered in a way that discredits this administration, discredits Mr. Cheney in that role. He has yet to come to grips with it, and the White House and the administration as a whole has yet to come to grips with it, because if my information is correct and the information given to The Washington Post is correct, and this is something that one would have the opportunity to see whether it is correct unless it has changed since its publication on February 22 was that the Web site for the White House, the White House official Web site cites the same false information today. It has not changed since March. I quote from the Web site of the White House as of February 22: ``The United Nations and U.S. intelligence sources have known for some time that Saddam Hussein has materials to produce chemical and biological weapons, but has not accounted for them: 26,000 liters of anthrax, enough to kill several million people; 38,000 liters of botulism toxin; 500 tons of sarin mustard and VX nerve agents; and 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents.'' And finally: ``He recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa, according to the British Government.''
These are the same lies and the same fabrications, the same prevarications, the same falsehoods, the same misleading directions that took us into this war and continue to be repeated in the face of the knowledge that we know them not to be true.
How could it be that these continue to be repeated? Is it any wonder that Mr. Chalabi laughs at us? Is it any wonder that he adopts a smug disposition when we continue to support him, we continue to pay him, we continue to support the policies that he espoused, and he is able to say what was said before is not important because obviously there are no penalties attached to it?
Mr. Speaker, where does the money come from?
Mr. Speaker, if Mr. Chalabi and his cohorts are paying this kind of money, what is the principal source of income that we have already enunciated for Mr. Chalabi and his friends?
In other words, the U.S. taxpayers are paying this guy to in turn pay lobbyists in Washington to advocate his position and influence Members of Congress.
If the gentleman will yield, not having seen the article, does the article go on to elucidate for us who these individuals are who are doing the lobbying? Are there firms here? Are there American firms who are going to come to Members of Congress and advocate on behalf of these individuals our appointees?
Would the gentleman consider submitting that article for the Record so that those who want to read the article in the Congressional Record subsequent to our discussion tonight will know all of the details?
Mr. Speaker, I will ask to have the article that the gentleman from Pennsylvania is referring to entered into the Record as part of our deliberation.
[From Roll Call, Feb. 24, 2004]
Iraqi Money Flows
(By Brody Mullins)
Several well-heeled Iraqis who hope to play central roles
in Iraq's emerging government have launched lobbying
campaigns in Washington to influence the Bush administration
and Congress as they work to shape a permanent government in
Iraq.
The group of Iraqis, which include three members of the
U.S.-created Iraqi Governing Council, are spending as much as
$100,000 per month on lobbying firms and public relations
agents to press U.S. officials to create a modern, democratic
government that is not dominated by Islamic conservatives.
``It's like they are running for president,'' said one U.S.
official of the competing public relations efforts in
Washington.
The three Iraqis began their public relations efforts in
Washington more than a decade after another Iraqi member of
the Iraqi Governing Council--Ahmed Chalabi--began cultivating
close ties to now-Vice President Cheney and other key
administration officials.
According to forms filed with the Justice Department, Ayad
Allawi, a member and former president of the Iraqi Governing
Council, has begun an expensive lobbying and public relations
effort to press U.S. officials to build a modern democratic
government that builds on Iraq's existing foundations.
Allawi has already paid more than $300,000 to Washington
from Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds LLP to help open
doors on Capital Hill and at the White House.
Allawi also hired a former U.S. ambassador to coordinate
his Washington effort and a New York advertising firm that
once worked for the Beatles to manage his image in the United
States.
The public relations effort, which could top $1 million
this year, is funded by Mashal Nawab, an Iraqi-born physician
who is a ``close friend and admirer'' of Allawi, according to
the Justice Department forms.
Adnan Pachachi, another member and former president of
Iraq's interim government, has also signed up a Washington
public relations firm to help him get his message across to
the Bush administration and Congress.
F. Wallace Hayes, working on a pro bono basis for now, will
write press releases for the 70-year-old Pachachi that
``promote democracy in Iraq,'' according to the Justice
Department forms.
Meanwhile, Baqir Jabor, an Iraqi exile appointed by the
United States to run Iraq's housing and construction
department, has asked former Rep. Bob Livingston (R-La.) and
his influential Washington lobbying firm to help arrange a
series of meetings with the Bush administration during his
upcoming visit to the United States.
Officials at Livingston Group said Jabor is not a formal
client of the firm. Other details of Livingston's work with
Jabor are not yet available because Jabor first asked
Livingston for help only last month.
The new public relations campaigns in Washington come as
the Bush administration struggles to complete an interim
constitution for Iraq by the end of the month in order to
turn control of the government over to Iraq this year.
In the past few days, it has become clear that the United
States will fail to meet both deadlines.
Over the weekend, the Kurds in northern Iraq--which
comprise 20 percent of the country--rejected key parts of the
constitution. Meanwhile, Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator
in Iraq, acknowledged last week that it is unlikely that Iraq
will be able to hold an election for at least another year.
By hiring lobbyists in Washington, the Iraqi leaders hope
to one day play a central role in the emerging government.
The Iraqis who have hired lobbyists are each former exiles
who want the United States to create a democratically elected
government.
Iraq's Shiites make up as much as 60 percent of the country
and are better organized than their political and ethnic
rivals, the Kurds and the Sunnis.
The leader of Iraq's Shiite conservatives, Grand Ayatollah
Ali al-Sistani, hopes to schedule quick elections, knowing
that he and his allies would dominate the government if
elections are held soon.
Allawi, Jabor and Pachachi share another rival in Chalabi.
But unlike the Iraqi newcomers to Washington, Chalabi has
worked for years in Washington cultivating friendships with
key players like Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle.
Since 1986, Shea & Gardner has represented Chalabi and his
Iraqi National Congress in Washington for about $10,000 a
month. One of the partners at Shea & Gardner is James
Woolsey, the former CIA director.
Chalabi also gets help from Francis Brooke, a political
consultant, and Riva Levinson of BKSH & Associates, the
Washington firm founded by Charles Black, a long-time ally of
President Bush.
Those contacts have paid off: At this year's State of the
Union address, Chalabi sat in the VIP box with first lady
Laura Bush.
Chalabi also was one of the few Iraqis permitted to meet
face to face with Saddam Hussein in his cell in the hours
after his capture in late December.
Chalabi has long been considered the favorite of Defense
Department officials to lead Iraq's new government.
However, his star appears to be fading as Pentagon
officials question some of the military intelligence he
provided before the war and as Iraqis increasingly view
Chalabi as a pawn for the United States.
Meanwhile, the State Department is thought to favor
Pachachi, while the CIA backs Allawi. His main opponent in
Washington is thought to be Chalabi, a distant relative.
Though Chalabi and Allawi both oppose an Iraqi government
run by Islamics, they split over the structure of a new
secular government.
Chalabi would like to rid the country of anything to do
with Hussein's Baath Party, while Chalabi--a member of the
Baath Party before it was hijacked by Hussein in the 1970s--
believes the new government should be built upon the existing
foundations.
``There are options available to make use of the civil
structures that are available in Iraq rather than throwing
everything out,'' said R. Paul Stimers of Allawi's lobbying
firm, Preston Gates.
Allawi, a neuroscientist by training, survived a vicious
assassination attempt in the late 1970s when Hussein allies
tried to axe him to death in his sleep. He later became a
source of important--and sometimes suspect--intelligence
information to the CIA.
After the war, he was appointed to the interim Iraqi
Governing Council and tapped to take charge of security for
the country.
In Washington, Allawia and his British benefactor last fall
hired Patrick Theros, a former U.S. ambassador to Qatar, to
build his base of support among key Members of Congress and
the Bush administration.
Theros runs a consulting firm, Theros & Theros, with his
wife and son out of their home in a leafy section of
Northwest Washington.
With a total monthly budget that began at $122,000, Allawi
brought on New York public relations agency Brown Lloyd James
Ltd.--a firm that once represented the Beatles--for $12,500 a
month.
For lobbying work, Allawi tapped Washington lobbying shop
Preston Gates for $100,000 a month, though the firm has since
lowered its monthly retainer to less than $50,000.
According to contracts filed with the Justice Department,
the firms will help Allawi ``gain U.S. government support for
his policy suggestions for Iraq'' by ``explain[ing] his views
on the security and political situation in Iraq.''
Theros, who is making about $10,000 a month from Allawi,
plans to attend ``public forums, seminars, events and
meetings which represent an opportunity'' to express Allawi's
ideas.
Allawi's lobbying effort was expected to end this spring
when the United States was
expected to hand control over the government to Iraq.
But with the prospects of meeting that deadline dim, the
lobbying and public relations campaign is expected to
continue.
If the gentleman will yield, I want to make sure I understood really, because I have had some conversations with Mr. Woolsey. They were affable. I considered them informative and straightforward. I just want to make sure. You mean when he was talking to me about these issues, he was part of a firm that was being paid $10,000 a month by one of the individuals, by Chalabi himself?
That was never revealed to me. I must say, and I want it on the record, that I resent that. If I knew that at least, that is okay. I am an adult. I am perfectly capable of differentiating between someone's sincerely held views and business associations they might have. If somebody represents to me that, look, I just want to tell you that we have a business relationship with this person, but I hope you will grant me that I am speaking to you, giving you my best and sincerest personal judgment regardless of my connection, I can accept that, and I would have, surely, because I like to think that I am a person, I hope, of some integrity, and I would do the same. If I have strong views about something, I will certainly tell people the whys and wherefores of it. But as a Member of Congress and having had conversations with Mr. Woolsey concerning some of these issues, not to have that kind of information, I think, is a subterfuge.
I am sorry to say it. It pains me. It pains me to say that. What you just said to me is, in fact, shocking. If people want to be cynical about it or think that I am just making some rhetorical flourish, they can think so, but it is not. I do not conduct my affairs that way. I do not deal with other people that way. I feel personally offended, to tell you the truth, that such a thing could take place. I had no idea that there was that kind of relationship, because I think that might have colored what was said to me.
If the gentleman will yield further, Mr. Woolsey has appeared on television numerous times as a commentator. He has been introduced as the former head of the CIA. I have seen him often making commentary and being asked for his perspective, and never once have I heard on any of those television shows, never once, unless I missed it, maybe I tuned in in the middle, maybe there is something that I missed, but I do not believe ever once on any of those shows that any of those hosts ever indicated that he is being paid by a member of the Governing Council, or that his firm is being paid by a member of the Governing Council, and that therefore, at the very least, on the basis of full disclosure that we should know that so that you can take that into account if you think that is pertinent with respect to what he is saying.
I wonder if the hosts of some of these television shows and radio shows and even those newspaper columnists who are quoting Mr. Woolsey are aware or whether they have made the inquiry as to whether or not such a situation exists. What bothers me as a Member of Congress, does this mean that I have to ask every single person that speaks to me, every single person with whom I have a conversation for a list of particulars as to what their associations are before I engage in a conversation or can expect on my part to receive information that is the best judgment of this person rather than the paid retorts and paid- for positions of someone who is in the hire of somebody else?
Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman would yield again to me, the newspaper article, again, I am presuming that it is accurate. Does it indicate that this is a current relationship?
Mr. Speaker, I realize I am taking time up here, but I am genuinely upset and shocked by this because I feel personally used. I mean, some of these conversations took place on official trips of the United States Government.
Mr. Speaker, I would just like to say in that regard that this is my 30th year in public service. I have made friendships and conducted business, legislative business, and evolved personal relationships over those 30 years with a great number of individuals. I have particularly valued those who are sometimes disparagingly referred to as special interests or lobbyists as if that is seen by many people as a derogatory term or a term of denigration. And I do not see it that way. I want to make it clear in terms of my expressed disappointment with regard to this revelation about Mr. Woolsey; and now I guess I am going to have to wonder about everybody else too that I have a conversation with, I am not trying to keep people from making a living.
It does not bother me any. As I say, I have friends who lobby on behalf of what are called special interests. We all have special interests. We are a multiplicity of special interests. One has only to read the Federalist Papers to understand that. In fact, it can be seen as the bulwark of a democratic republic because we do have factions and many interests competing with one another for attention and for approbation. There is no question about that. The only question to be answered in that is do we know that, do we know who they are and what they are and why they are and so on so we can discern what the difference is?
I have no problem with people who are our friends, personal and otherwise, making their positions known to me or to anyone else in the Congress or anywhere else in public office. What bothers me is when positions are represented to us and we do not know that someone, in fact, is a paid representative, particularly on issues of war and peace, life and death. The folks know and the Speaker knows that I am a member of the Committee on Armed Services and those are the kinds of things we vote on every day, and I think every member there, regardless of party, takes seriously, deadly seriously, I might say without any sense of irony attached to it, take seriously their responsibility.
But we are dependent in the Congress on getting good information. The President of the United States is dependent upon getting good information and making solid judgments based on that information. Anybody who fails to give the best possible information with the fullest knowledge behind it and the resources is undermining the Constitution of the United States and failing their responsibilities as a citizen. In this regard, then, I feel ill used in this process by Mr. Woolsey, and I feel very definitely that the press and the Congress need to make inquiries of everybody who comes before us presenting that information and perspective to us upon which we have to act in matters of life and death. Everybody has to have the fullest inquiry made of them as to what their sources of income are and what their sources of information are, whether they are tainted.
Can we conclude, Mr. Speaker, by saying that, at least for the three of us I think I can speak, there will be openness and transparency and accountability on this floor.