Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) is a good friend of mine. He is a member…
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) is a good friend of mine. He is a member of the Committee on Ways and Means, and he really is a very decent guy, but he is really wrong in what he said earlier. To suggest that these tax cuts and this mania that we have witnessed now for tax cuts for the last 3 years has not had a substantial impact on the size of Federal deficit is to really put our heads in the sand. Let me remind Members of this House we are now fighting two wars with three tax cuts, and the mathematics are there for everybody to see.
An announcement this morning by Secretary Rumsfeld that 135,000 troops now are going to stay in Iraq for an extended tour of duty, well into the year 2005, and let us be honest with the American people, they are there for 2006 and 2007 and maybe through 2010. That is the reality that we confront. We are going to a $500 billion deficit this year after coming out of the Clinton years when we not only balanced the budget but projected surpluses for years to come.
I want to remind ``all is well'' that this proposal from the gentleman from Connecticut today has never even been vetted in the Committee on Ways and Means. Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe after having served in that committee for 12 years that the Committee on Ways and Means has a responsibility for tax revenue issues. So this is being brought to us by an individual who is not on the committee and indeed it has not been aired in the committee. There has been no public hearing on the proposal that we are going to vote on in an hour. So we find ourselves having this debate about alternative minimum tax.
And I want to say something. I think my hands are clean on this issue. I have heard them say that the Democrats put this in place in the reform of the Tax Act of 1986. That may well be the case, but let me tell the Members something. I am in favor of repealing it. I think there ought to be some intellectual honesty as it relates to AMT. It has outlived its usefulness. It has outlived its purpose, and now middle-income taxpayers are now being asked to carry its burden.
We have a game of kind of hocus-pocus here. The Republicans stand up and say, well, we are going to give AMT relief. They are not giving AMT to the number of people they could and should be giving AMT relief to, largely because it does not square with the tax cuts that the administration has proposed, and once again Republicans in this House go along with very few questions asked about any issue. The administration says it is so, they just go along with it, no questions asked, even if the evidence a few weeks, months,
years later turns a contrary conclusion.
Let me speak specifically, if I can, to this issue as it relates to this debate today. The alternative minimum tax was originally designed to make sure that everyone paid their fair share. Who among us can argue with that? The second notion of the proposal that we have offered today is that we want to grant some relief to the burden that the Republican Party has put on middle-income tax earners. If they, in fact, take advantage of certain credits in the Tax Code and they have a lot of children, they are penalized by their proposal. Do the Members know why? It is very simple, because the philosophy of the majority in of this body is that the only people in America that ought to have tax relief are the wealthy.
And to the credit of the wealthy 3 years ago, they were not even asking for tax relief. They wanted to pay down the debt, and public opinion polling concludes, once again, they still think that paying down the deficits are a far better use of taxpayer money than giving tax relief to even those who might benefit most from it.
They promised that they were going to do something about tax reform as it relates to AMT. But what they did not tell them was that they are going to give them tax relief on one hand and then if they sit down to do their tax forms, they are going to take it away from them if they have four or five children. If people desire to use the HOPE credit, they are going to take it away from them. If they try to take advantage of the child credit, they are going to take it away from them. So they give it to them on one hand and they take it back on the other. So in the end, there really is no tax relief as it relates to alternative minimum tax.
I want the Members to listen to this. Half, half of the promised benefits that we voted on last week under the marriage penalty bill, we were told we were going to provide relief to those folks as well, they are taken back to the Treasury by alternative minimum tax.
I have offered time and again, Mr. Speaker, a couple of very easy proposals in this body. Let us get rid of AMT. Let us scale back the size of the tax cuts the administration offered. Let us pay down the deficit. Let us pay for these two wars. Let us fix Social Security. Let us fix Medicare, as American people clearly desire. And let us give tax relief to middle-income Americans, particularly from alternative minimum tax.
I hope in the next few minutes as we engage this debate, we will have a chance to put the magnifying glass on the proposal that is before us today. And I have got to tell the Members, as a member of the oldest committee in this House, a committee that I believe is so desirable to sit on, a committee whose history is so profound as it relates to this Republic, they did not even have enough regard for the Committee on Ways and Means to hold a hearing on this proposal in the committee. This is the introduction to their proposal today on the House floor. Nobody has seen it until about an hour and a half ago.
So let us engage this debate. Let us have an opportunity to draw some attention to what it is that they are saying but, most importantly, to what it is that they are doing.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, anytime that we can ask those companies that have moved to Bermuda to avoid paying American taxes with 134,000 troops in Iraq to pay their share, I am happy to have my fingerprints on that issue.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), the Democratic whip.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I remind the Republican Members a year ago in the Committee on Ways and Means they had a chance to vote for my AMT bill, which would have done exactly some of the things we are proposing to do today.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer).
Mr. Speaker, I am just curious, and I would ask the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) or perhaps the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Foley), since this was never aired in the committee, this proposal has not been brought up in front of the committee, will the author of this proposal, will he be taking his picture with the Committee on Ways and Means later on at 2 o'clock? Will we have him there for the photograph for history and posterity? I was just wondering, since we now have nonmembers of the committee bringing these proposals forward.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin).
(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of making a unanimous consent request to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
(Ms. JACKSON-LEE asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, a quick reminder to the previous speaker. More than half of the promised benefits last week of the marriage tax penalty are taken back under alternative minimum tax.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Hinchey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Israel).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I remind the gentleman you cannot fix this on a long- term basis without doing something about the tax cuts that the gentleman was heralding a couple of minutes ago.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Bishop).
Mr. Speaker, might I inquire as to how much time is left.
Is the gentleman prepared to close?
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the time that is left.
Mr. Speaker, we have had this debate now in this House for a long period of time. For Members on the majority side to say, well, this was a Democratic proposal in 1986 and then to conveniently forget or suggest that during their 10 years that they have not had sufficient opportunity, working, by the way, with a willing minority to fix the issue, really does not make a great deal of sense. This issue is hanging out there. It is waiting for a solution. There ought to be an opportunity in a bipartisan manner to fix it.
I have said flatly I am in favor of repealing the alternative minimum tax. Let us get rid of it. There is a revenue gap to make up, $600 billion, that has to be found somewhere; but when we offer the suggestion, it goes nowhere, because it does not square, Mr. Speaker, with the tax cuts that the administration has offered and that the compliant Members of the majority have gone along with without ever, ever, ever asking a question.
Forbes magazine has suggested that the tax cuts that the Republican majority and the administration have offered only make the alternative minimum tax issue worse for middle-income Americans. We have heard today a suggestion that issues of war in the Middle East and in Afghanistan are irrelevant to these discussions. How are we going to pay for the troops, 134,000 that are in Iraq and 12,000 that are in Afghanistan, and support this war effort? How are we going to pay for, first, the Defense budget that goes to $421 billion at the conclusion of this session, $41 billion for homeland security? They are off by $140 billion in their prescription drug bill proposal; and the answer is, to all of this, tax cuts.
Mr. Speaker, we can fix the alternative minimum tax issue in a bipartisan manner. I am more than happy to offer my support to try to get that under way. Support the Democratic alternative today. It, in the end, is responsible tax policy, and show those people at Enron and show those people in Bermuda that they ought to pay like the rest of the American people.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.