Mr. Chairman, I offer amendment No. 3 in the nature of a substitute. Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, do I need to designate a portion of my time to the minority? Mr. Chairman, I yield half of my time to the gentlewoman…
Mr. Chairman, I offer amendment No. 3 in the nature of a substitute.
Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, do I need to designate a portion of my time to the minority?
Mr. Chairman, I yield half of my time to the gentlewoman from Colorado (Ms. DeGette).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, it has been a good debate so far. It was a good debate last year. This is about ethical and moral issues. The proponents of the gentleman from Florida's (Mr. Weldon) bill have argued the ethical and moral issues against reproductive cloning; and on that issue, my friend, the gentleman from Florida (Dr. Weldon) and I are in perfect agreement. It is wrong to create a human being through cloning. It is probably physically cruel to do that, because of the likelihood of defect; and it is emotionally, I believe, cruel to do that because no one should be brought into life as a duplicate of another. Each of us has the right to be the product of a mother and a father. So we agree on that.
Now let us deal with the moral and ethical issues that have to do with somatic nuclear transfer. Because what is at stake is well over a hundred million Americans today suffering from diseases like Parkinson's, like Alzheimer's, like cancer, and like diabetes; and as this chart shows, the millions of people suffering today from those diseases and the millions more expected to be suffering from those diseases over the next 10 years.
Now, none of us in this room is an expert on the science of nuclear cell somatic transfer. But those who are the experts tell us this, that with this technology simply requires a limited number of eggs donated by women, denucleated, enucleated. And then the cells, the DNA from something like a cheek cell placed in that nucleus, electricity is applied and then the cells divide. Why do scientists want to do that? They want to do that because we want to observe the miraculous occurrence inside that egg as those cells become first pluripotent stem cells and then divide into specialized cells.
Why do they want to do that? They want to do that because they need to understand the biology and the chemistry as to how that happens. And when they have understood the biology and the chemistry of that process, there is no more need for women to donate eggs in order for the cures for these diseases to come about. Because then doctors in hospitals around the world will be able to take these patients suffering from not only these diseases but from juvenile diabetes, from Alzheimer's, from
spinal cord injuries, from head injuries, and take the somatic cells from that patient, combine them with the growth factors that they identify in this limited amount of research, process healthy cells from our own bodies and use those healthy cells to cure our diseases, to fix our injuries, and to reduce human suffering by amounts that we cannot even imagine.
So the ethical and moral issue here is are we or are we not willing to allow that science to go forward so that we go through this transient phase where we use this relatively small number of ova contributed by willing women to understand how to do this so we can bring about the cure. Now the argument that is presented by the exponents of my substitute, which again bans reproductive cloning, allows this research to continue.
The argument that is proposed is, well, once that cheek cell divides in an egg in a petri dish, it is a potential human being; and, therefore, if it is going to be destroyed after it divides a certain number of times, after the observations are finished that that is immoral.
Now, if that is the case, if that is what you believe, then we should ban in vitro fertilization because in vitro fertilization has produced 100,000 embryos in this country right now that will be discarded, 100,000 of them. Far more order of magnitude than will ever be created through this technology and they are going to be discarded, and that is apparently okay with the proponents of this legislation because it brings beautiful little children into the world to couples who otherwise could not have them.
So that is the trade-off we make. And nobody here is arguing, in fact, to the contrary. They are preserving the need for in vitro fertilization, and yet the number of embryos created and destroyed by in vitro fertilization orders of magnitude is more than we are talking about here. And if we want to get totally philosophical about this, every single day millions of eggs are fertilized in the womb that do not adhere to the uterine walls and are flushed away and somehow that is the way God does it. That is the way nature does it. And we do not hear a gnashing of teeth about that by the makers of this amendment about this bill.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a turning point in our history. This is a question about whether or not we are going to go forward with the most promising medicine of our time. The ability to stop the suffering, to heal the sick, to cure the injured of diseases that have plagued us for centuries or whether we turn our back on this science in the name of ethics and morals and kill an opportunity to do something that is ethically and morally correct, and that is to prevent this suffering.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to quickly make observations about two contradictions that I think my friend from Florida made. Number one, he said that our substitute cannot be enforced. That does not make any sense. If we can enforce the Weldon law, we can enforce the Greenwood law, and if people are going to make clones in violation of the law, they are going to do it under the Weldon law or the Greenwood law. So that is an argument we should discount immediately.
The second contradiction, which I think is more severe, is that I heard the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) talk about we are going to have shelves of embryos, we are going
to have embryo farms; we are going to create all of these embryos. He just told us how extraordinarily difficult it is to get one ovum. We have to superovulate a woman. It is very difficult. It is painful. Women are not going to line up to have this procedure.
So there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that we are going to have this huge multitude of eggs. We are going to be lucky to have enough to do the research.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and ask my friend from New Jersey how we would wind up with a cloned embryo stockpile? How would that happen?
I yield to the gentleman from New Jersey.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, and then I will yield to the gentleman again.
I am reclaiming my time, and then I will yield to the gentleman again.
Mr. Chairman, I would love to have a dialogue with the gentleman, but let us go back and forth a little here.
The gentleman from New Jersey said over time we would clone eggs. Can the gentleman explain how you clone an egg? Is the gentleman suggesting we can take one egg and turn it into multiple eggs?
Reclaiming my time once again, I am not sure, with all due respect, that my friend from New Jersey understands this process.
You cannot, you cannot, you cannot take one cloned entity and multiply it. You have to go back and get another egg. The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) described how extraordinarily difficult it is to get one egg. You have to find a woman who is willing to be superovulated and give up an egg to science. You cannot multiply that egg into more embryos. You can make one.
So, Mr. Chairman, I ask the gentleman again, can the gentleman explain the science by which he claims that we are going to wind up with, as he said, embryo stockpiles, embryo farms? Where do these thousands of eggs that the gentleman describes in this fictitious nightmare come from?
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman has answered my question, and I will reclaim my time.
The gentleman proposes in his response to my question that women of America are going to line up for dollars so they can be superovulated, and it is the most ridiculous and disrespectful attitude towards women I can imagine. To think that the gentleman from New Jersey believes that the women of this country are going to line up for a painful procedure, and one as intimate as the donation of eggs for money, I think, is incredible.
The proponents of the Weldon bill would like to paint those of us who think that this research, this transient period of research so important for science, as somehow out of the mainstream. The gentlewoman from California talked about some of the organizations that stand with us. Let me name some others:
The Alliance for Aging Research, the Alpha-1 Foundation, the ALS Association, the American Association of Neurological Surgeons, the Congress of Neurological Surgeons, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Foundation of AIDS Research, the American Gastroenterological Association, the American Infertility Association, the American Medical Association, the American Society for Cell Biology, the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, the American Society of Hematology, the Association of American Medical Colleges, the Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation, the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, the Children's Neurobiological Solutions Organization, the Coalition of Patient Advocates for Skin Disease Research, the Genetic Alliance, Harvard University, Hope for ALS, Lymphoma Research Foundation, the National Association for Biomedical Research, the National Coalition for Cancer Research, the National Coalition for Cancer Survivorship, the National Council on Spinal Cord Injury, National Health Council, the Parents of Infants and Children with Kernicterus, Parkinson's Action Network, the Parkinson's Disease Foundation, Research America, Tourette's Syndrome Research Foundation, et cetera.
This is the mainstream of American medicine. This is the mainstream of American science. This is the intelligentsia of America who actually understand how this science works, who do not walk around thinking you can multiply eggs through science and who do not believe women are going to line up by the tens of thousands for dollars to produce these fictitious embryo farms.
My colleagues, there is a time in American history where we are either going to decide to go with the people who understand this stuff and the people who have compassion in their hearts for these people with these diseases, or we are going to fall prey to this Luddite anti- scientific and demagogical approach.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
It has been a good debate. The gentleman from Wisconsin seemed to think that I was impugning the opponents of my substitute. I am not. My point was that contrary to the argument that the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith) made that the purpose of this research is strictly for the exploitation and destruction of human life is wrong, this is about hope. This is about trying to stop suffering, and we
have a choice to make here between fear and hope, and I encourage my colleagues to support hope. Support the Greenwood-Deutsch amendment and vote ``no'' on the Weldon bill.